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ueauvan September 9th, 2007 08:20 AM

Probably a dumb MobHack question
 
US OOB 1/90 onwards, wanted to make a 6 man squad so copied the 6 man 2 saw, m16 law 72 that ends at 12/89. change law for the at4/136 thing. saved recalced saved. however the new 6 man is 22 cost, the standard 4 man is 23 for 1/90. what am i screwing up?

Mobhack September 9th, 2007 11:20 AM

Re: Probably a dumb MobHack question
 
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ueauvan said:
US OOB 1/90 onwards, wanted to make a 6 man squad so copied the 6 man 2 saw, m16 law 72 that ends at 12/89. change law for the at4/136 thing. saved recalced saved. however the new 6 man is 22 cost, the standard 4 man is 23 for 1/90. what am i screwing up?

Which unit number did you use as a base? - it is impossible to troll through the OOB simply trying to guess the unit in question - which is why we say in the TO&E sticky on error reporting to give us the unit slot number when reporting possible errors.

Hmm - let's take a wild guess (since we don't have the slot numbers) - but I bet you changed the mech squad #479 to an AT-4 from an M72 and changed nothing else. And are now comparing your new unit with #480?.

The squad in #479 has 6 men, the one in 480 has 4 - 6 is greater than 4, so will tend to cost more.

If you left the M72 count at 6 rounds of AP, well the squad in #480 has 4 HEAT rounds to the 6 in the one copied from slot #479. 6 is more than 4, and may make a point or so difference as well.

If you get an unexpected result - then examine the data and see what differs. In this case, head count and ammo load will probably be the ones?.

Cheers
Andy

ueauvan September 9th, 2007 11:53 AM

Re: Probably a dumb MobHack question
 
sorry changed 479 and only thing i changed was wep 4 from law to 31 at-4, only only thing changed was date 1/90 to 12/120, copied into spare slot. then i recalculated, 22 was changed cost from 21 vs 23 for the 4 man 480 sqd.i have 480 4 AP shots not HEAT hmmm

ueauvan September 9th, 2007 04:13 PM

Re: Probably a dumb MobHack question
 
its not an assumption that the oob is wrong more like im doing something wrong, sorry for wasting your time Andy its not important

Mobhack September 9th, 2007 04:44 PM

Re: Probably a dumb MobHack question
 
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ueauvan said:
sorry changed 479 and only thing i changed was wep 4 from law to 31 at-4, only only thing changed was date 1/90 to 12/120, copied into spare slot. then i recalculated, 22 was changed cost from 21 vs 23 for the 4 man 480 sqd.i have 480 4 AP shots not HEAT hmmm

OK - I just did this and the old one is 21 points, new one with just the AT weapon change is 22. All is in order.

You then compared with the existing #480 (which does not have the same weapons, SAW is different and GL ammo differs as does #of AT4 rounds), and note that that is 23 points, with less men.

As I said - examine the data, and see what actually differs.

2 men less will cost less than your new 6 man section, of course. No of men is a significant cost contributor.

However 480 has vision 10. The one you changed does not. Night vision equipment costs points. Night vision (esp thermal) is a major contributor to points cost.

The difference in ammo and weapons between the 2 sections may well make a point or 2 of difference.

Radio chance is higher in 480 but probably 10% is not enough to swing a point.

- it all counts towards the final value.

Cheers
Andy

ueauvan September 9th, 2007 05:07 PM

Re: Probably a dumb MobHack question
 
thanks for the explanation Andy told you i was dumb ><


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