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MarkSheppard September 15th, 2007 02:36 AM

A Modern Day StuG!
 
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German company took a M113 hull and added a 105mm howitzer....

Marek_Tucan September 15th, 2007 03:08 AM

Re: A Modern Day StuG!
 
Should have added 120mm gun-mortar instead http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Marcello September 15th, 2007 05:08 AM

Re: A Modern Day StuG!
 
What's the planned use for it?
I mean, I like it but if it has only M113 style armor there will be only a narrow range of missions for it.
The high elevation gun for example would be perfect in urban engagements, but if it is not at least basic RPG-7 proof it is not worth it.

PlasmaKrab September 15th, 2007 05:54 AM

Re: A Modern Day StuG!
 
Dunno what the ordnance and ammo would weigh... Maybe there's enough power margin to add standoff applique armor on the (nicely sloped btw) front, slat on the sides and light ERA on the roof. Add one or more MG OHWS or an Israeli-style glass turret if there's room, and you should have a decent urban support vehicle.
That is, provided you are stuck with a SU-105 of an M-113. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
Otherwise you'd probably be better off with a turreted AMOS-style high-ROF gun-mortar, heavily uparmored, on a decently protected chassis (think BTR-T, BMP-T, Namer, Temsah...)

That's for the urban support, now by the look of it this one could also have had some interest as highly mobile SPH in armored units, back in the 70s.
Mark, do you know when the idea dates back to?

Randy September 21st, 2007 07:37 PM

Re: A Modern Day StuG!
 
A remote MK-19 grenade launcher would make a nice secondary armament.

thatguy96 September 21st, 2007 07:57 PM

Re: A Modern Day StuG!
 
Quote:

Marcello said:
What's the planned use for it?
I mean, I like it but if it has only M113 style armor there will be only a narrow range of missions for it.
The high elevation gun for example would be perfect in urban engagements, but if it is not at least basic RPG-7 proof it is not worth it.

There could still be a use, albeit a narrow one. The hull seems to be lower profile than the standard M113, and as a tank destroyer or tracked assault gun it really seems no worse perhaps than the ASU-57, ASU-85, M56 Scorpion or M50 Ontos. Its also got four firing ports, and one suspects it was probably planned to be air-droppable.

As a self-propelled artillery vehicle it also seems like it would've been a cheap alternative to more advanced SP 155mm guns.

But yeah, definitely not a wide range of applications.

Marcello September 21st, 2007 10:19 PM

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"As a self-propelled artillery vehicle it also seems like it would've been a cheap alternative to more advanced SP 155mm guns."

If you want a cheap SPA I suppose that those truck mounted artillery pieces they make nowadays would be a much better option.

"he hull seems to be lower profile than the standard M113, and as a tank destroyer or tracked assault gun it really seems no worse perhaps than the ASU-57, ASU-85, M56 Scorpion or M50 Ontos."

Those vehicles (and I would include the Jagdpanzer Kanone in the list, which seems the closest thing to it for me) are obsolete for the most part so being no worse does not cut it. I suppose that if you were desperately short on tanks such vehicle would be able to provide some cheap and armored firepower support to infantry units, as it still beats throwing men against machine gun nests. Since MBTs are plentiful today there is no reason to build something like that. Airborne forces are better off with some Sprut lookalike.
I think that there may be a niche for assault guns in urban combat, but that requires a different sort of vehicle.

thatguy96 September 21st, 2007 11:07 PM

Re: A Modern Day StuG!
 
Very true, but we don't know when this unit was designed. Still, I'm sure you're right. Like I said, any usefulness it had was probably quite narrow. It wasn't produced hehe, which says something as well.

PatG September 28th, 2007 01:28 PM

Re: A Modern Day StuG!
 
Looks a bit like the old Canadian Goliath(?) project with a 120mm instead of a 90mm on the West German Jagpanzer chassis.

Punjistick November 23rd, 2007 04:57 AM

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Maybe its for police (SWAT) and or security units against terrorist inside buildings....i think for military isnt it usefull with that pitty armor...but against terroist with small arms it should work....in an urban enviroment with a 105mm howitzer...hoorah


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