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iCaMpWiThAWP September 22nd, 2008 02:15 PM

BMGs, CMGs,AAMGs,TMGs,whateverMGs
 
What Are the differences between them? Until now i only found that AAMGs fire Anti air, What Do the other MGs mean and what they do?

narwan September 22nd, 2008 02:25 PM

Re: BMGs, CMGs,AAMGs,TMGs,whateverMGs
 
BMG = hull mg
CMG = coaxial mg (next to main gun)
AAMG = antiair mg
TMG - turret mg (mg as main weapon in turret)

Tells the game how to treat that specific mg as each category has it's own characteristics.

iCaMpWiThAWP September 22nd, 2008 06:34 PM

Re: BMGs, CMGs,AAMGs,TMGs,whateverMGs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by narwan (Post 639661)
BMG = hull mg
CMG = coaxial mg (next to main gun)
AAMG = antiair mg
TMG - turret mg (mg as main weapon in turret)

Tells the game how to treat that specific mg as each category has it's own characteristics.

Thx, Now i can choose better tanks for their roles

Griefbringer September 23rd, 2008 03:58 AM

Re: BMGs, CMGs,AAMGs,TMGs,whateverMGs
 
BMG actually stands for Bow MG, being mounted in front of the hull. This gave the radio operator/assistant driver something to shoot while in combat. However, these were usually only useful at relatively close ranges (reflected in the game). Tended to go out of fashion pretty soon after WWII.

Griefbringer

thatguy96 September 23rd, 2008 08:31 AM

Re: BMGs, CMGs,AAMGs,TMGs,whateverMGs
 
There are actually only two classes that are really used for these, Class 4 and Class 5. One of the major differences being that one is a Flak/AA class, which allows it to op-fire at aircraft, while those classed as the other will not. I'm not sure if the restriction also exists for regular engagements. Also, the other class (used for Bow and Coax) has some other things in the code, that IIRC, prevents the weapon from being fired unless the vehicle is pointing at it when placed in the fourth slot (one of the reasons you'll sometimes see units with gaps or no weapons except in the fourth slot, especially turretless WWII tankettes).

Marek_Tucan September 23rd, 2008 04:52 PM

Re: BMGs, CMGs,AAMGs,TMGs,whateverMGs
 
note that some tanks had even the BMG fixed in one position, and fired by driver. For example IS-2, T-54/55.

iCaMpWiThAWP September 23rd, 2008 05:33 PM

Re: BMGs, CMGs,AAMGs,TMGs,whateverMGs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marek_Tucan (Post 639901)
note that some tanks had even the BMG fixed in one position, and fired by driver. For example IS-2, T-54/55.

Yea, but modern tanks have not :(, like the M1, it's one less MG for the enemy to worry about :D

Griefbringer September 24th, 2008 04:13 AM

Re: BMGs, CMGs,AAMGs,TMGs,whateverMGs
 
I think that the main effect from such a fixed MG fired by a driver would be morale - chances of actually hitting anybody would not be too great. And it would distract the driver, who would probably be better off concentrating just on driving and letting the rest of the crew do shooting. BTW: didn't the early M3 Stuarts (WWII) have similar arrangement of two forward fixed MGs fired by the driver.

Another problem with BMG was probably that it made for a weaker spot in the front hull, that could be vulnerable to a lucky hit.

Griefbringer

Marcello September 24th, 2008 10:40 AM

Re: BMGs, CMGs,AAMGs,TMGs,whateverMGs
 
There are BMGs and BMGs. The typical WW2 BMGs were on ball mounts used by the radio operator. Some limited aiming was possible but the mount was indeed a big weak spot in the glacis. The BMGs on the T-54 and the likes were a fixed affair.
It made for a very small weak spot but I imagine that suppressive fire was all that it was good for.

Marek_Tucan September 24th, 2008 01:52 PM

Re: BMGs, CMGs,AAMGs,TMGs,whateverMGs
 
To be frank, suppressive fire was most of times all ball-mounted weapon was able to do. I recall reading somewhere that British tankers mostly liked more Browning .30 as BMG compared to BESA. Reason - BESA was too accurate, so was great at attacking specific targets but in "normal" BMG operation the notably larger dispersion of M1919 seemed to be more effective at suppressing unseen enemies.


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