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iCaMpWiThAWP January 10th, 2009 01:17 PM

French Paras in 1940?
 
There's a formation in the french oob(06) called Cie Inf d l'Air(129) they are PARATROOPERS, but in the 1937/1940 period there's no transport aircraft avaiable, weird isnt it? my question is where are the air transports? did any existed during this period?

DRG January 10th, 2009 05:42 PM

Re: French Paras in 1940?
 
Interesting...... I don't think this subject has been brought up before though those paras have been there for quite awhile

I did find some info LINK
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On paper there were two companies of French paratroopers in 1940, but they were not at full strenght. They were nevertheless considered "ready for action", and their deployment was planned as part of the Allied entry in the Netherlands, but eventually they were not dropped. Their "standard" plane was the Potez 650.
and

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They did see action as local commandos ("corps francs") during the phoney war, but did not do real combat paradrops in 1940. Paratroopers did not fit well in the general French defensive doctrine. If you have an invulnerable defensive line, why drop men ahead of it? And if you are fighting a delaying action in Belgium, what would be the point in dropping a couple hundred men behind the enemy lines? As a result, although they were created very early (1937), had plenty of training and had adequate equipment especially developped for them, there was no effort to turn them into an large, effective fighting force.

Eventually, many of these men did see action as paratroopers... in 1944, but then they were a Free French unit in the SAS.

It's been quite a while since these were put in and I'm betting transport was not provided simply becasue they fought on the ground only. The Icon for the aircraft is in the game however but only in Romanian markings and they were used by the Romanians as para transports

Don

iCaMpWiThAWP January 10th, 2009 08:24 PM

Re: French Paras in 1940?
 
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their deployment was planned as part of the Allied entry in the Netherlands but eventually they were not dropped.
but what if? :D
Still not worth creating a Potez 650 with load capacity to drop them around with, and an [A] formation just for what if battles

PanzerBob January 11th, 2009 05:21 AM

Re: French Paras in 1940?
 
Form a British Para Force and have the French Paras join the party. Let us know how that works out.

Bob out:D

cbo January 11th, 2009 01:54 PM

Re: French Paras in 1940?
 
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Originally Posted by DRG (Post 665852)
Interesting...... I don't think this subject has been brought up before though those paras have been there for quite awhile

It's been quite a while since these were put in and I'm betting transport was not provided simply becasue they fought on the ground only. The Icon for the aircraft is in the game however but only in Romanian markings and they were used by the Romanians as para transports

Don

There is some more here in one of David Lehmanns detailed articles:

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5999

Apprently they saw plenty of (ground-) action during the "Phoney War" but not much after May 1940.

Still, would be a nice "what-if" unit to have. :-)

They used both the Potez 652 and the Farmann 224:

http://www.aviafrance.com/image.php?im=982
http://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance...SION=&MOTCLEF=

http://www.aviafrance.com/image.php?im=1654
http://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance...ION=0&MOTCLEF=

cbo

iCaMpWiThAWP January 11th, 2009 02:16 PM

Re: French Paras in 1940?
 
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Originally Posted by cbo (Post 666044)
Quote:

Originally Posted by DRG (Post 665852)
Interesting...... I don't think this subject has been brought up before though those paras have been there for quite awhile

It's been quite a while since these were put in and I'm betting transport was not provided simply becasue they fought on the ground only. The Icon for the aircraft is in the game however but only in Romanian markings and they were used by the Romanians as para transports

Don

There is some more here in one of David Lehmanns detailed articles:

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5999

Apprently they saw plenty of (ground-) action during the "Phoney War" but not much after May 1940.

Still, would be a nice "what-if" unit to have. :-)

They used both the Potez 652 and the Farmann 224:

http://www.aviafrance.com/image.php?im=982
http://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance...SION=&MOTCLEF=

http://www.aviafrance.com/image.php?im=1654
http://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance...ION=0&MOTCLEF=

cbo

So, no air insertions were done during the war?during the phoney war(SITZKRIEG?) they were employed as infantry or commandos?
btw, i wouldnt enter a plane like this, i think walking is safer :D

DRG January 12th, 2009 12:04 PM

Re: French Paras in 1940?
 
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Originally Posted by iCaMpWiThAWP (Post 666050)

So, no air insertions were done during the war?

No.


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Originally Posted by iCaMpWiThAWP (Post 666050)
during the phoney war(SITZKRIEG?) they were employed as infantry or commandos?

No combat jumps at all

Don

noxiousnic January 12th, 2009 01:09 PM

On the Phony War (Slightly O/T)
 
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Apprently they saw plenty of (ground-) action during the "Phoney War" but not much after May 1940.
Funny (indeed) 'cause in French, that part of the war is known as "La drĂ´le de guerre", which you guessed it, means the funny war :)

Phoney, funny ;)

DRG January 12th, 2009 05:34 PM

Re: French Paras in 1940?
 
What I'll probably do is add the transport into MISC for the next release ( no idea when that will be ATM ) and let people build their own para force if they so desire.

Don

chuckfourth January 19th, 2009 06:00 AM

Re: French Paras in 1940?
 
They may not have been dropped as planned because they hadnt completed enough jumping training prior to the German invasion to "Qualify"
It might be a compromise approach to give them the normal infantry drop injury rate.
Best Regards Chuck.


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