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archaeolept February 12th, 2009 12:08 AM
Pretender HP and Dominion
 
from bug thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by archaeolept (Post 673883)
As we were having a discussion on IRC about pretender/prophet HP's due to dominion, and as I don't see it listed in the bug shortlist:

According to the manual, "For each level of friendly dominion in a province a prophet and/or pretender gains ... +10% hp"

Actual mechanic: For the average positive dominion of this turn and the last (or the last two turns, for hp during a battle), the pretender/prophet gains +20% hp. (negative dominion is -10%, as per manual)

So if you had a pretender w/ 100 hp, and were in dom 10, and then moved to dom 4, and then attacked somewhere whatever the dom, your hp would be
100(1+.2*(10+4)/2)= 240 hp. Manual would lead you to think that you should have 140 hp (based on the previous turn's dominion, or whatever if the current battle location's dominion were to be used).

similarly, if your 100 hp pretender was in dom 5, then went to a dom -5 province, and then attacked somewhere, it would have, i believe, 125 hp.

Just to keep it consistent, ;) , Str and MR effects due to dominion are based on the current dominion of the province the battle is taking place in.

enemy dominion lowers hp by 10% per pt, as per manual.

also, of course, as is well known, right clicking on the hp yields totally incorrect numbers :)

edit: I like averaging the previous two turns as a mechanic, personally, but the +20%/dom seems excessive.
This is not quite correct, though the numbers worked for simple situations. [original idea to average the last two turn's dom was Homer/evilhomer's]

It has also been speculated, perhaps originally by konmig, that the amount of excess hp over what should be the current dom-dependent max, halves in size each turn. This is also not quite right, although its numbers also often worked.

you have a 155 base hp chimera, currently at 262 hp, and the prov he is in is dom 1
he flies nearby.
new province is dom 0
his hp: 155

These results do not mesh w/ either of the two prior possibilities.

Hypothesis: The HP is determined by the average of the current and previous dominion levels (as per original speculation), but this is in whole numbers and halves are rounded down.

As that would explain why the chimera has base hp in dom 0 the turn moved there.

however, this explanation is still not right.

*it is quite possible that there was a bit of low level enemy dominion in the new province, as one would normally expect a dom 10 pretender to raise a candle... though not necessarily, as it could be negated that same turn by some enemy dom influx.

archaeolept February 12th, 2009 12:51 AM
Re: Pretender HP and Dominion
 
eh, i think i'll try another run through tomorrow, taking more copious notes... should have written down the end of battle hp's of the manticore when it conquered the provinces, and also the "bogus" entries.

possibly the halving is done from the difference beween the end of battle hp, and the putative max hp that goes w/ the calculation on the screen.

so, end of battle 186 pt manticore ends up at 170, the dom during the turn is -2, giving a putative max HP of 155*.6(2 enemy dom for 20% each)*.8(for NHW) = 74.4 HP; and the difference between the end of battle HP of 170, and the putative max 74, ie 96, is then halved, ie 48, and subtracted from the end of battle HP, ie 170-48 =122

which is the guy's actual hp in province that turn.

original calc by zlefin.

note: max -HP for enemy dominion is -80%, so dom -4 seems the same as dom -10

edit: so, running another turn, dom becomes -1, manticore is attacked though and has end of battle hp of 115.
technical max hp: 155*.8 for enemy dom *.8 for nhw =99 HP
difference between 115 and 99 is 16
end of battle hp of 115 - half the difference (ie. 8) = 107 HP

which is what he has.

Lingchih February 12th, 2009 01:02 AM
Re: Pretender HP and Dominion
 
good research Arch. Keep us informed.

archaeolept February 12th, 2009 01:13 AM
Re: Pretender HP and Dominion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lingchih (Post 673984)
good research Arch. Keep us informed.
those last calculations are the correct ones, as far as I can see.

probably other ways of upping your hp, like drain life, lose excess hp in the same way; ie. one unified mechanic for determining actual HP based on difference between end of battle HP and technical HP.

also, zlefin wanted it pointed out again that there is a max -80% hp loss for enemy dom.

Akela February 12th, 2009 01:17 AM
Re: Pretender HP and Dominion
 
Quote:
the dom during the turn is -2, giving a putative max HP of 155*.6(2 enemy dom for 20% each)*.8(for NHW) = 74.4 HP
What is NHW?

archaeolept February 12th, 2009 01:21 AM
Re: Pretender HP and Dominion
 
oh, sorry, so much stuff to keep track of you use abbreviations

NHW = Neverhealing Wound; -20% HP, ie. multiplying by .8


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