How do I calculate ship supply usage?
 

When looking at individual components, they usually have a "supply usage" value, like engines are 10, cloaking device is 100.

But how does this translate to actual usage? Certainly it's not 10 * 6 engines = 60 plus 100 (cloak)=160 per turn, that seems WAY too little.

Is it 10 * 6 engines * 7 movement = 420 + 100 = 520 per turn. That STILL seems small.

Bottom line: I need to know how many Solar Collectors to put on a scout ship to make it self-sustaining.

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Re: How do I calculate ship supply usage?
 

i believe its 10*movement*turn, not 10*engine*movement*turn. i know my colony ships use about 200 supplies a turn, and i know ships use less when they move less.

Re: How do I calculate ship supply usage?
 

For movement alone, it's #Engines * Supply Cost/Engine (10) * Movement Used, each turn.

So, on a ship with 6 engines, 7 movement, your ship uses 420 supply per turn, and needs 3 SC III's to refill it each turn.

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Re: How do I calculate ship supply usage?
 

It's over-kill to include enough solar collectors to completely replenish movement usage each turn. Very few ships are rushing around at full speed all the time. I've found that two solar panels are enough for even a cruiser if it has decent supply capacity. A few supply storage bins are better than many solar collectors because they're much cheaper. A cloaking device can add quite a bit to your supply usage, though. I tend to hide in storms whenever possible & let the ship "rest" a while. But then I use cloaked ships mainly for recon. If you're going to be using them as some sort of guerrila fighting force then you'd best create a dedicated supply ship with lots of solar panels and fleet this with your fighting ships. The cloak eats quite a bit of space by itself. Combining cloak and supply generation in each ship will use up your space and hardly leave any room for weapons and defenses. The supply ship can just stay out of the way in combat. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Re: How do I calculate ship supply usage?
 

Additionally, once you have decent sized ships, forget the solar panels, and use emergency resupply pods.
Your resupply ship should hold more supplies than your regular ships, have the pod, and a repair bay. You can then get 2000 supplies per turn.

With the next patch, your resupply podship will have to be of Battleship size or larger, since it will need to carry a SpaceYard, rather than just a repair bay.

Re: How do I calculate ship supply usage?
 

I'd like my ship to be able to roam across the entire universe, tell me if this will work:

Cruiser class
6 of my best engines (10 supply each)
Solar Sail III
Cloaking Device II (100 supply)
4 x Solar Collector III (+600 per turn)
Repair II
Plenty of Armor & Shields
Emergency Supply unit

So at 6 engines x 7 movement x 10 each = 420 resource usage per turn, + 100 (cloak) = 520.

So with 4 collectors @ 150 each, 600 per turn should keep me full as long as I'm in a system with a sun. If not, go as long as I can and then bust an Emergency supply unit and repair it on-board! (I think this Last technique will be eliminated with the next patch)

Only problem I can foresee would be if it calculated 6 Eng x 10 each x 10 movement (includes sail) = 600 + 100 = 700 (too much!)
Can anyone verify whether the sail uses extra resources (I know its not supposed to...)

Re: How do I calculate ship supply usage?
 

The sail does cause supplies to be used. To calculate supply usage for a ship, it's (Total_Movement) * (Engine_Supplies_Used). So your ship has 10 movement, and the total supplies used by the engines is 6*10=60. 10*60=600, and your cloak adds another hundred. And it is supposed to use supplies, because technically, in the game, the engines are still "working".

Your design should work fine though, since you won't need to use the cloak all the time, and there's the occaisional binary and trinary system. So break-even without cloak, -100 with cloak (from reserves of 2300, 3000 minus max supply usage, for 23 turns of cloak). Then in binary systems you get +600 without and +500 with cloak, and in trinary +1200 without and +1100 with. Even with binaries and trinaries being scarce, you should be able to travel cloaked through at least 17 systems without running out of supplies, and add on all the nebulae systems http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Of course, I would say your biggest worry here would be mines, not supplies http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: How do I calculate ship supply usage?
 

[EDIT]Guess this is unnecessary cause Will posted while I was typing it. Oh well...[/EDIT]

Engines use supplies for each space the ship moves. The way that this supply usage is calculated is thus:
#engines*10=supplies per space moved
Therefore your ship would use:
6 engines*10 supplies per engine per move=60 supplies per move
In each turn, it would use:
10 moves*60 supplies per move=600 supplies
The cloaking device adds 100 supplies per turn, so the ship would use 700 supplies per turn.

The solar sail doesn't use any supplies by itself. Since it provides 3 extra movement, supplies will be subtracted for each of the 3 extra spaces your ship moves.

Hope this makes some sense to you.

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