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Debaser8 May 4th, 2010 02:02 AM

Stacking the smashers
 
Do the runebreaker/runesmasher things stack? Can I put 4 on a 4 armed chassis for massive penetration?

BlanketThief May 4th, 2010 02:20 AM

Re: Stacking the smashers
 
Two or more of the same item generally don't stack (An exception being bracers of protection)

Jarkko May 4th, 2010 02:38 AM

Re: Stacking the smashers
 
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Originally Posted by Debaser8 (Post 743899)
Do the runebreaker/runesmasher things stack? Can I put 4 on a 4 armed chassis for massive penetration?

No, same items do not add the bonus several times. You could addan item to misc slot though.
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Originally Posted by BlanketThief (Post 743900)
Two or more of the same item generally don't stack (An exception being bracers of protection)

Generally true. There are however various items that do stack, like the supply-items (if you ever wanted to stack those on a toon) or water-breathing items (like Sea Kings goblets). I *think* the no-stacking rule is "only" relevant to path-boosters, penetration boosters and resistance boosters.

BlanketThief May 4th, 2010 03:46 AM

Re: Stacking the smashers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jarkko (Post 743901)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Debaser8 (Post 743899)
Do the runebreaker/runesmasher things stack? Can I put 4 on a 4 armed chassis for massive penetration?

No, same items do not add the bonus several times. You could addan item to misc slot though.
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlanketThief (Post 743900)
Two or more of the same item generally don't stack (An exception being bracers of protection)

Generally true. There are however various items that do stack, like the supply-items (if you ever wanted to stack those on a toon) or water-breathing items (like Sea Kings goblets). I *think* the no-stacking rule is "only" relevant to path-boosters, penetration boosters and resistance boosters.

The no-stacking rule also applies to supply-items (As in two different bonuses do stack, but two or more of the same do not, unless you're referring to a different no-stacking rule?) Can't say about the water-breathing items, as I've never tested them. Assuming we're meaning stack as in applying the same bonus multiple times to a single unit, given that your two examples there could be interpreted as otherwise.

As a side-note, items that cast spells through-out battle will stack in that aspect if you equip multiple instances of them (i.e. 4x Scutata Volturnus on your 4-armed chassis is 4 instances of shocking-grasp, but only 50% lightning resistance)

Should also be noted that separate items that apply quickness (Jade armour/boots of quickness/Champions Trident, along with a W9 bless and presumably the spell quickness) will not stack in that area, however items that increase resistances (Alot.) will stack as long as each instance is from a different source (Brimstone Boots + Ring of Fire = +200% fire resist)

Quitti May 4th, 2010 03:57 AM

Re: Stacking the smashers
 
There are some oddities too, like Gate Cleaver + Wall shaker not stacking (just giving the gate cleaver bonus).

Best effect for (non-arti) penetration would be rune smasher [w2f2], void eye [s1] and spell focus [s1] (or RoS/RoW instead of focus if you need +paths), combining to total +5pen.

Wrana May 5th, 2010 07:55 AM

Re: Stacking the smashers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Quitti (Post 743906)
Best effect for (non-arti) penetration would be rune smasher [w2f2], void eye [s1] and spell focus [s1] (or RoS/RoW instead of focus if you need +paths), combining to total +5pen.

Note - this is for humanoid mage only. 4-armed figures generally have just 1 misc slot and some Pretenders and (iirc) others have more than 2 of them. Master Lich or Crone can have penetration +6/+7 not considering level boost.

Novi May 9th, 2010 09:55 AM

Re: Stacking the smashers
 
On a related note: what spells work best when penetration boosted? Does penetration apply only to spells that must pass a MR check or also to common damage-dealing spells? Consider I'm playing LA Atlantis, so I can cast most mid-research water/death stuff like Falling Frost, Shadow blast etc. :)

thejeff May 9th, 2010 10:10 AM

Re: Stacking the smashers
 
Only mr check spells. That's what penetration does. Improves your mr roll.


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