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Roman August 16th, 2010 08:57 PM

order of battle
 
Where I can get an order of battle at battalion level? infantry battalion and / or panzer battalion. I only managed at the division level.
In this post, Brian has an interesting order of battle. But I find many Panzer IV tanks. And change the panzer III by those of 38t. Do not know what you think.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=45752

It's for a long campaign with Germany.
Thanks in advance

Cross August 17th, 2010 08:31 AM

Re: order of battle
 
Here's the best resource I am aware of for the detailed composition of most types of infantry and Recon battalions, and includes armoured and Panzer recon battalions for all the major powers:

http://www.bayonetstrength.150m.com/.../site_map.htm/


Cross

Brian61 August 17th, 2010 03:12 PM

Re: order of battle
 
The bayonetstrength link above is broken :(

Roman August 17th, 2010 03:23 PM

Re: order of battle
 
Ok. Thanks Cross. Will this link?
http://www.bayonetstrength.150m.com/...l/site_map.htm
The fact that you spent is broken.
Regards

Very good site. What I see is that is more oriented to infantry units and motorized and mechanized infantry.
Very good.

Mobhack August 17th, 2010 05:13 PM

Re: order of battle
 
You would think that there would be loads of info on that, but there is not really much on GE WW2 tank bn organisation. Plenty on the toys, of course.

http://www.mchome.net/dirk/weirdwars...ganization.htm

http://www.fireandfury.com/orbats/ge...imentsbarb.pdf

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/vy75/toe.htm

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=b...sation&f=false

- for whatever value you make of web sources.

For the Germans - it was really a case of whatever was available to hand. TO&E charts were simply administrative theory, and if you want the specifics of a particular formation at a certain date then you really have to research their war diaries, returns of strength forms etc.

Andy

Roman August 17th, 2010 10:06 PM

Re: order of battle
 
Thanks for the info.
You are about to turn me into something I did not want to be, a historical revisionist :).
But it is very interesting.
Thanks

m10bob June 28th, 2012 07:27 AM

Re: order of battle
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mobhack (Post 754677)
You would think that there would be loads of info on that, but there is not really much on GE WW2 tank bn organisation. Plenty on the toys, of course.

http://www.mchome.net/dirk/weirdwars...ganization.htm

http://www.fireandfury.com/orbats/ge...imentsbarb.pdf

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/vy75/toe.htm

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=b...sation&f=false

- for whatever value you make of web sources.

For the Germans - it was really a case of whatever was available to hand. TO&E charts were simply administrative theory, and if you want the specifics of a particular formation at a certain date then you really have to research their war diaries, returns of strength forms etc.

Andy



An old thread but I am catching up.

Andy is so right..The first "German" tank my dad saw behind the Omaha Beachhead was a black in color M4 Sherman, which had been captured in Africa. (It had of course been knocked out by its' original owners.);)

Cross September 20th, 2012 03:29 PM

Re: order of battle
 
Found another good source for Allied OOB:

http://www.warestablishments.net/


And here's a good link for the Bayonetstrength site that had a broken link earlier in the thread:

http://www.bayonetstrength.150m.com/



Cross

gila September 20th, 2012 05:53 PM

Re: order of battle
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by m10bob (Post 807293)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mobhack (Post 754677)
You would think that there would be loads of info on that, but there is not really much on GE WW2 tank bn organisation. Plenty on the toys, of course.

http://www.mchome.net/dirk/weirdwars...ganization.htm

http://www.fireandfury.com/orbats/ge...imentsbarb.pdf

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/vy75/toe.htm

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=b...sation&f=false

- for whatever value you make of web sources.

For the Germans - it was really a case of whatever was available to hand. TO&E charts were simply administrative theory, and if you want the specifics of a particular formation at a certain date then you really have to research their war diaries, returns of strength forms etc.

Andy



An old thread but I am catching up.

Andy is so right..The first "German" tank my dad saw behind the Omaha Beachhead was a black in color M4 Sherman, which had been captured in Africa. (It had of course been knocked out by its' original owners.);)

A black Sherman with the cross would be a rare pic indeed!
Which reference is that?

Rosollia September 21st, 2012 07:38 AM

Re: order of battle
 
Charred M4´s tend to look black. ;)


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