Manchukuo aircraft (v.2017)
 

Just a few notes on aircraft, according to "A History of Chinese Aviation - Encyclopedia of Aircraft and Aviation in China until 1949"

117, 140 Aichi D1A - weren't used.

In fact, the air force was created only in 1937, and first combat aircraft were Kawasaki Type 88 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasa...sance_Aircraft and Nakajima Type 91 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakaji...ype_91_Fighter

The icon could do well for Type 88: https://www.aviationsmilitaires.net/...saki_88_3v.jpg

118 Nakajima Ki-27 - introduced after 1940 (now 1/35, when it haven't even flew) (photo attached, or other copy: http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g6...9.jpg~original)

119, 136 Kawasaki Ki-32 - introduced after 1940 (now 1/38)

It might look like this: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/94/4b/bb/9...98585d3681.jpg or http://www.avionslegendaires.net/wp-...re/Gki32-3.jpg or http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/MM/MM-165/1017-08-2-3.jpg - photos of Manchukuo aircraft are very rare, but color drawings show they were light grey

133 Ju-86 - there were transport Ju 86Z-2 only (photo attached). Only in mid-39 "it was at some stage planned to convert six Ju 86s into bombers, but this was not carried out, although one was tested with armament fitted".
(BTW - now the picture is Swedish)

134 Heinkel 111 - there's no mention about He 111 in Manchukuo service in the book

135 Ki 21 - the book says, that they were used only as transports by Manchu Air Transport Company.

Michal

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"the book" may be wrong or incomplete but you frequently pick one source and make that the Bible to dispute what we have in our OOB


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchu...rial_Air_Force

Mitsubishi Ki-21 Japan bomber number in sevice 6

References
Jowett, Philipp (2005). Rays of the Rising Sun, Volume 1: Japan's Asian Allies 1931–45, China and Manchukuo. Helion and Company Ltd. ISBN 1-874622-21-3.

In reference to your last post on Nat China.......


I have learned that is NEVER the case no matter how much I wish it were true

Don

Re: Manchukuo aircraft (v.2017)
 

Maybe, but I'm trying to find most reliable references - and this one really looks well-researched ;)

Yes, but these six were used by MKKK (Manchu Air Transport Company), a semi-military airline, not by the Air Force (scan of page 171, that I've sent). I don't insist on deleting anyway, just to put it under a consideration.

Well, in case of Manchukuo it is true :)
I've never thought to deal with Manchukuo, and just came across a nice source on aircraft.

Michal

PS. the quoted Wikipedia page says also "The only bomber craft it had were provided by Kawasaki Ki-32 light bombers." ;)

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You've provoked me ;)

I had no intention to deal with Manchukuo, but I just started to wonder, what could I possibly find about it. And voila - an article in a French magazine. I don't know French, but maybe somebody does.

Tanks are pretty correct, but just a few things:

08,09,10 Renault Type 79, 89, 87 - should be unified with Japanese OOB 200-201 (Ko-gata, Otsu-gata) - 09 should receive longer 37 mm gun and a photo 9132, and 10 - photo 9131. Maybe better names will be Renault FT and Renault NC, since Taki claims that "the Manchukuo Army never used Japanese calender designation." (http://www.network54.com/Forum/33033...23/View+thread)

There is some mention about Type 95 Ha-Go - but used for training?

22 Type 92 SNLF - Japanese 147 Wolseley A/C and 299 Crossley M25 armoured cars should be rather used instead. Also Japanese 23 Chiyoda A/C seems more probable, while browsing Internet forums (considering its production size in comparison to a handful of SNLF car).

BTW: according to
http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/93car.htm and https://ikazuchisen.wordpress.com/im...-use-in-media/ the right designation of "Type 92 SNLF" is Type 93.

This model manufacturer: https://hlj.com/product/FIRM055 claims, that twin-turret Austins were used (651 from Polish oob, with changed guns)

There could be also added improvised armoured cars, like Chinese 266, 272. Some photo is at the bottom: http://www.network54.com/Forum/33033...23/View+thread

That's all I could find ;)

Re: Manchukuo aircraft (v.2017)
 

Through the last quoted forum web page, I've found an interesting page with a couple of Manchukuo army photos (sniper, 81m mortar, unidentified infantry gun, cavalry): http://www.horae.dti.ne.jp/~fuwe1a/newpage417.html

There were also river gunboats with 120mm guns
http://www.navypedia.org/ships/manch...of_sui_kai.htm
http://www.navypedia.org/ships/manch...f_chin_jen.htm

Re: Manchukuo aircraft (v.2017)
 

In v.11:
11 Type 95 Ha-Go has nationality Japanese.

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Oops......now fixed.

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Two remarks, as a sidenote to China:

145 75mm Inf-Gun (Type 94 mountain gun) - I suggest icon 2122, which better fits to its double trail.

146 37mm Cannon - photo is a heavier gun. Proper photo is eg. 9400, dedicated icon 8033 (current icon is for 75mm FH..).
Same for unit 199 as for its icon.