Maintenace Value
 

So is there a bug in the Maintence value for your racial trait?? I just experimented with this and the results you get are clearly not in line with the values you select. ie you would think that if you choose 110% for maintenance you would be 10% better that a race with the default 100%. But this is not the case!!! Could be why I'm getting my but kicked in a PBW game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Re: Maintenace Value
 

It isn't a bug, so much as an oversight. That trait lowers the base maintenance, not the maintenance paid.

You can fix it in mods though. Make the base maint. paid be 100%. Give all ship sizes 75% maintenance reduction, and bases 96% (IIRC). Then, 1 point in Maint Redux actually lowers maintenance paid by 1%. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Of course, then you need to raise max level of Maint Redux and lower its cost and raise the threshhold level, as 10% becomes worth less than 500 points. Look at the Pirates and Nomads mod for an example of a mod that fixes the Maint Redux trait.

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Right now, you get better performance than what the numbers indicate. A 10% increase in your maintenance trait lowers your base rate from 25% to 15%--a 40% improvement. Some mods, including PvK's Balance Mod and SJ's Pirates and Nomads Mod, seek to address this issue.

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Krsqk, the numbers tell you how much it will lower base maintenance. They lower it by exacty what they indicate. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Re: Maintenace Value
 

To-may-to or to-mah-to? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

If you're thinking it lowers it from 25% to 15%, you're right. If you're thinking it lowers your maintenance total by 10%, you're getting a better deal than you think.

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I think that it does say it lowers base maintenance costs somewhere official. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Re: Maintenace Value
 

To quote my wife...

"...half of one, six dozen of another, it makes no difference..."

Slick.

Re: Maintenace Value
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So you think you're getting your butt kicked because everyone else chose to reduce their maintenance costs by 10% (i.e., instead of paying 25% maintenance, only paying 15% maintenance)? Or did you modify the maintenance in the wrong direction (i.e., you're now paying 35% maintenance instead of 25%)?

Re: Maintenace Value
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">half of one = .5
six dozen of another = 72

You are telling me that .5 and 72 are the same? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

I think the correct cliche is "...half dozen of one, six of another, it makes no difference..."

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But anyways, the difference between lowering maintenance paid and base maintenance cost is enormous! Assume the maintenance is 1000.

Lower maintenance paid by 10%, you get 900.

Lower base maintenance paid by 10%, you get:
1000 / 0.25 = 4000 (cost of ship)
4000 * 0.15 = 600

That subtle difference of wording makes quite a big difference! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Maintenace Value
 

[quote]Originally posted by DirectorTsaarx:

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So you think you're getting your butt kicked because everyone else chose to reduce their maintenance costs by 10% (i.e., instead of paying 25% maintenance, only paying 15% maintenance)? Or did you modify the maintenance in the wrong direction (i.e., you're now paying 35% maintenance instead of 25%)?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well the butt kicking is a bit debatable (and could be due to other factors :-) )but my point was that I never realized the effect of changing your racial maintenance value. I think it is clearly a VERY missleading. IE. I had always assumed that choosing 110% Maintenance trait would mean you are 10% better than normal when in fact it is much much higher. I think all the other traits work that way don't they???

As others have not pointed out the math is like so:
100% value = 25% maintenance
110% value = 15% maintenance

I gather there may be something in the manual somewhere that says this is the way it is but certainly there is nothing to suggest this on the race setup screeen