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thorfrog June 13th, 2003 10:02 PM

Any good weapon/tech mods?
 
Any one make any good weapon/tech mods. I've been play testing my updates to the current standard weapons that come with the default install. I made adjustments to missiles, torpedoes, and other weapons. I also modded the ship sizes slightly.

This has made my gaming experience alot more fun. Now I'm looks to add some more weapons. Any ideas? Maybe have more required weapon types to get new tech.

Fyron June 13th, 2003 10:09 PM

Re: Any good weapon/tech mods?
 
I've been planning on making one for Adamant Mod, but that hasn't happened yet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Suicide Junkie June 13th, 2003 10:24 PM

Re: Any good weapon/tech mods?
 
P&N does a lot of tweaking to the weapons, amongst other things...

Was there something in particular you had in mind?

JLS June 13th, 2003 10:41 PM

Re: Any good weapon/tech mods?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
I've been planning on making one for Adamant Mod, but that hasn't happened yet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">When this one, comes out thier won't be a Rival http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

ps:
I have not forgot about you, Fryon http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ June 13, 2003, 21:45: Message edited by: JLS ]

JLS June 13th, 2003 10:46 PM

Re: Any good weapon/tech mods?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by JLS:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
I've been planning on making one for Adamant Mod, but that hasn't happened yet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">When this one, comes out thier won't be a Rival http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">EVER http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

JLS June 13th, 2003 10:49 PM

Re: Any good weapon/tech mods?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by atomannj:
Any one make any good weapon/tech mods. I've been play testing my updates to the current standard weapons that come with the default install. I made adjustments to missiles, torpedoes, and other weapons. I also modded the ship sizes slightly.

This has made my gaming experience alot more fun. Now I'm looks to add some more weapons. Any ideas? Maybe have more required weapon types to get new tech.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Try, Proportions. PvK has a lot of neat stuff that work by the Numbers.

[ June 13, 2003, 21:50: Message edited by: JLS ]

Fyron June 13th, 2003 10:54 PM

Re: Any good weapon/tech mods?
 
Adamant may well be the only non-sci fi canon total conVersion mod (esp. as I plan on canning nearly all of the SE4 stock weapons). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

LGM June 16th, 2003 07:17 PM

Re: Any good weapon/tech mods?
 
In any good weapon/size mod, in my opinion, the follow should be employed:

Differentiate Cruiser, BC, BB, and DN hulls with escalating tohit modifiers.

Tone down the weapon-mount efficiency to make smaller ships more feasible.

Find a way to limit the power of the talisman: more costly, treat as 10KT armor to destroy/defile it first, etc.

Make the Phased Energy Weapons weaker. 2 Dam per KT ratio makes this weapon very effective quite early in the game. I increased its supply usuage by 10 fold in my Mod, otherwise, I kept it the same.

Make the weapon research base numbers larger. 5K for most of them is ridiculously low. Who would ever deploy Null Space 1 when NS 3 is so easy to reach two turns later?

Make torpedoes cost effective. Some authors give them a tohit bonus.

I would suggest the following weapon efficiency: Low tech/Low cost weapons should do 1 damage per 2 KT of space occuppied. The best weapon Ratings should be 2 damage per 1 KT of space for a nice balance. Consider rating weapons within that range using Damage/Space/ROF to figure out rough efficiency. I would suggest treating ROF = 2 as ROF=1.8 for effiency so that they do not become to favored over ROF=1 weapons. You should lose a little efficiency taking all the damage upfront on the first round within range.

Make Crystalline weapons attractive. Suggestion: Better damage ratios or lower research base.

You have to tone down Small DUCs! 5:1 damage to space ratio for Sm DUC III is absurd. Extremely low tech/cost/space weapon with a very high damage ratio and it fires every damn turn. For good fighter weapons, make them research Sm APB, Sm Mesons, or Small racial tech weapons. Sm DUC III should be just a temporary deployment until they get something better.

Phoenix-D June 16th, 2003 08:47 PM

Re: Any good weapon/tech mods?
 
Adamant may well be the only non-sci fi canon total conVersion mod (esp. as I plan on canning nearly all of the SE4 stock weapons)."

There's also Puke's grit-tech..I don't think any of the standard components survived that one. Except maybe the bridge and such.

PvK June 16th, 2003 08:58 PM

Re: Any good weapon/tech mods?
 
I agree with all your suggestions, LGM. I would add that Graviton Hellbores should be better (Props follows [Fyron's?] idea, used in several mods, of giving it all-shield-skipping ability). PD should also be toned down against fighters and seekers, IMO. Proportions does all of what you suggest and more.

PvK


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