[Atrocities]

I believe that most or many of the Star Trek shipsets had the Enterprise "Galaxy" class as a near top hull size...it's clear they will have to be downgraded just a little.

I don't follow you? The Galaxy is larger than the Soverign, but less powerful. The Galaxy Class Enterprise, "D" was destroyed by an obsolete Klingon Bird of Prey. So size does not matter. Second if you had heard the list of armorment that Shinzons Dreadnought had, you would understand why it was able to cripple the Enterprise "E" a Soverign class star ship.

Federation ship have historically been designed as exploration ships first, fightingships third or fourth. If the Federation were to make a starship with war in mind, it would be an awsome site to behold. But that would be a fundamental violation of the Principles that Gene Roddenburry had established for the Federation when he created Star Trek.

So honestly, with this knowledge, I feel that the Galaxy Class ships are right where they belong as are the Soverign in the Trek ship sets.

I disagree with the weak plot - that is not true - sure it had some nitpicks, but so does every movie including First Contact!

Perhaps the book will contain more detail. Sorry Kwok, I am a big fan of story detail, not slipped in comments to cover up holes in a plot. I guess I should get used to it by now, but I still find it hard too.

The orignial story idea pitched by Logan was impressive in its scope, but the hackers at Paramount cheezed it up. Brent Spiner got involved very early on to help preserve some of the original story line as well as to indroduce his demise. Brent does not want to be in any more movies as a stated fact, so Data's death was a foregone conclusion the moment they found the first arm.

The movie had a ton of questionable plot points, but overall the acting and action is what carried the movie. The fact that Shinzons ship had 70% shields and the Enterprise was able to ram her was a bit odd. (Established in many episodes, when shields are up, ships that attempt to ram bounce off.)

I was not a fan of First Contact. I thought it was lacking in many ways. It was designed not with attention to plot and story as so much as it was designed for action. But many people wanted action so that is what they got. They tried that here to, but also tried to give us a far more gripping story. They did succeed, just not as successfully as they could have if they would have had another 30 mintues to do it.

Why can a movie like this go three hours? I mean they only produce one every three to four years, so when one comes out, give us a lot of it.

[ December 16, 2002, 02:03: Message edited by: Atrocities ]