[couslee]

the DEMO for SE4-g is better than Civ3. That game is Booooooooooooooooooooringggggggggg.

SE4 reminds me a lot of STARS! Stars is fun, but limited, and late game tedious, but that can be overcome with victory settings. which are similar to to SE4's. race design is more complex in stars, and I got tired of waiting for super-nova to come out. I hear SE4 is lot like MoO2.

I only have the SE4-G demo right now. my copy has not been delivered yet. I got a whole 8 turns into the demo before ordering it Online.

My suggestion for you is DL the demo and try it out. I has JOMT like Civ2, SMAC, Stars!. besides, the demo don't cost anything but a little DL time, and a day and a half of eyes-glued-to-the-screen to get the idea of the fun factor.