[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by Cirvol:

1 = that talismans are STILL unbalanced
2 = that subverters going thru phased-shields makes them unbalanced... (making master computers stop them isn't enough imho)

does anyone disagree with those 2 points?

Sorry but I do not agree.
If it is a large galaxy and they have time to grow and build up. Yes it will be a harder challange to destroy that empire but not nearly impossible.
Ok first we will consider the Talisman. If you are religious and you have this component without the AS. All the defender has to do is use a max range stratagy and they can easily defeat you if done right. Use missles, if PD is too heavy then go to the longest firing beam weapon you have with lots of combat modifiers.

Now lets look at the AS. As was already mentioned the load time hurts the AS badly. Again, you can use the max range stratagy against this as well as was mentioned. The AS has a max range of what 5? 6? You can easily over come that with the WMG or like weapon. Once again making it not impossible to defeat the AS.
If you are not religious with the AS then it will be harder to use the AS to win a game. Because it has a 100% to convert only at 1 range. After that it falls off alot. I think 50% by range 5 or 6 which ever it is. Which isn't that much.

Now look at both as a combo. It makes it a whole lot harder to defend against. But once again, not impossible. Deploy the max range stratagy and presto you have a fighting chance. Sure if you get within range with that combo you could be in trouble. But thats why you don't get within range. Keep as far as you can away from them and you can easily win the battle.

So while the Talisman may be a bit unbalanced I do not feel that it is a uber trait to have.