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Originally posted by Greybeard:
As for Europe, it's about time for them to defend themselves. Bring our troops home after this war and let Europe do what they wish without our support...Greybeard

I wonder how Europe would ever be able to defend itself. Europe has a history of struggles and wars and even to this day, as clearly shown the Last couple of days, they quarrel amongst themselves.
I really really wonder how this could be an effective force.
It's not IMO. More action, less talk. Debating is fine but when somebody slaps you in the face, you slap back and preferably a bit harder so they get the message (that's my way of doing things)
Reminds me of when i turned 12 and went to high school. For some reason, the kids of one class started pestering me. Talking to them or teachers
intervening didn't help. Then i punched one of them so hard in the face, a tooth flew out of his mouth. Case closed. Now when i was walking in the hall way, kids made room for me.
Of course that's not really a comparison and not meant to be, just a thought.

Anyway, i still find it hard that so many countries have trouble giving Saddam an ultimatum or whatever to really bring him down. Although i don't think an ultimatum would help.