[Growltigger]

Now that you mention it,I am sure someone told me once that some part or product of pigs was used as a clarifying agent in cider, maybe dry blackthorn just has a bit too much of that??!! eek

Minipol, I fully endorse Dogscoff's remarks re cider but add the health warning that the stuff farmers sell out of the back of their Landrovers (and do try Theobolds cider if you get the chance in Kent) tends to be a combination of battery acid and rocket fuel with a hint of apples. You have been warned. Too much scrumpy and you will end up with a silly accent and a tendency to morris dance