[geoschmo]

Originally posted by rextorres:
How many sources do you need? The London Times is a respected paper BTW - for those of you who look at other news sources besides AM radio and Fox. Just because Rush or O'Reilly conveniently forgets to mention how the U.S. is complicit doesn't make it not true.

The only reason this is mentioned is because some people are blaming France and Germany for the this when we helped arm Saddam in the first plance

No one's addressed the fabricated evidence that Powell presented at the U.N.
And why the pentagon is giving contracts to Cheney's buddies.
Or why we are all of a sudden in the business of nation building.
etc.

Also: I'll listen to this mysterious clip later today - when I have access.

Personally I don't need any more sources, I just need one that shows something like the point you are trying to make. The fact that Iraq was once an ally is not a shock to anyone older than 6. Even if one accepts your accusation that the US is responsible for Sadaam, that only makes it more our job to clean up the mess we made. People aren't mad at France and Germany becasue they also helped make the mess. They are mad because they arn't helping clean it up, and in fact are obstructing our efforts to do so.

Noone has addressed Powell fabricating evidence, because that didn't happen. It's a lie.

The Pentagon gives contracts to lots of people. Cheney has lot's of associates. Everybody in poloitics does. The two facts together aren't proof of dispropreity.

The reason we are all the sudden in the business of nation building is because we are trying to protect the lives of our citizens and our strategic interests. In the past we could do that, or we tried to do that anyway, by exerting political pressure. In a post 9/11 world the rules have changed. When governments support these kind of activities they are held responsible. But you simply can't remove the old bad governemt and leave a vacuum. So we help Afghanistan rebuild, and we'll do it for Iraq too.

Geoschmo