[Fyron]

it seems you label everything you don't agree with as "propaganda".

I already explained that nearly everything posted in this thread is base propaganda, even the things that I agree with. Propaganda is not necessarily things that you do not agree with.

Also I don't understand how you consistantly deny your a Republican even though every position I've read from you is consistant with a Republican position; are you being Devil's Advocate?

There is a huge difference between being a Republican and agreeing with a few "Republican" positions (in quotes because almost no positions are wholely Republican, Democratic, or whatever). Also, supporting the war most certainly does not make one a Republican any more than opposing it makes one a Democrat. Nothing is that black and white.

And yes, I often (to use an unfairly biased Christian term) play Devil's Advocate. My attempts to get people to actually sit down and think about their positions instead of just spouting off what other people have told them often go unnoticed, but that won't stop me from trying.

If it looks like fish and smells like a fish then it is a fish. A Libertarian for instance is just a Republican without Religion.

Actually, you could not be any more wrong than that. Try looking at other countries than the US where they have more than 2 major political parties. Their parties overlap on some areas, but differ greatly in others. They do not just have 2 positions, and all parties are one or the other. Now, lets look back at Libertarians. Once you remove yourself from the hype you have duped* yourself into believing, you will be able to see that they are most certainly not Republicans, any more than Green party members are Democrats. The real world is not as black and white as you see it. You see everything as being polarized into 2 camps (as supported by the content of nearly every one of your Posts), when this is certainly not true. Very few people are fully a Republican or a Democrat. Most people support "Repulican" positions on some issues, and "Democratic" issues on others. Party affiliation is basically just a result of your parents and those other people that you idolized (or demonized) as you were growing up.

*Term picked specifically for connotations in relation to this discussion.

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While Loser's post was written in a fairly offensive manner, it did have several good points in it. It is tiring to see so many people with the belief that they are 100% right, and anyone else that thinks differently is obviously an idiot (maybe not so harsh, but it is the same idea). It isn't possible that other people could be just as right as you are, with equally valid lines of reasoning leading them to their conclusion.

Sorry. I just don't see the Irony in that statement.

Neither do I...

[ April 25, 2003, 19:25: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]