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Old May 21st, 2003, 03:19 PM

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Default Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.

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What I meant is that some people use humanism (love the whole human race) to disqualify nationalism.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm aware of how evil nationalism can be. But this evil nationalism is not truly nationalism, but usualy a racist-oportunist dictactorial ideology that takes cover behind nationalism.
Nationalism in its purest concept move people to work towards the commum goal of national prosperity, it eliminates crime, because nobody steals from his brother, it eliminates all kind of social problems, and it doesn't tolerates the exploitation of the poorest sector of the society.
Nationalism is not racist, because a nation involve all the etnic Groups that forms it, national identity is defined by all of its members.[/QB]
I'd like you to cite an example of Nationalism that worked like that.

Because, in the end, Nationalism works off the human desire to belong to something larger, to conform. A very important, in fact essential, part of belonging is excluding others. Tragically, the bonds of a group are directly proportional to how strongly they exclude others from their group.

You can see this facet of human nature in the way a group, when it has no opposition, will turn on itself. This occurred when the Democratic Republican Party drove the Whigs out of the U.S. political system. If you want to make a group strong and coherent, you must give them something to oppose or they will fight among themselves.

This is also a problem with inter-departmental cooperation in large bureaucracies such as corporations or government. The separate departments will have more trouble working together when they do not have something to work against, to oppose, together. Make a friendly, loving, we don't need to compete with anyone environment and you will have a divisive, cliquish, and back-stabbing hoard. Give people something to hate and they will stick together like glue.

(Better still, give your people something to hate and put them through some common hardship. I have never felt so close to my coworkers as I did while we were working an innovative, insane, abusive, stressful, and ultimately doomed program called "Customer Conferencing" (one technician 'helped' four or five at-home end-Users with vaguely similar problems, at once, in a conference call, for ten hours a day).)

True 'nationalism' or even 'patriotism' cannot exist without something to oppose. And it cannot be strong, cannot be powerful without something very real to hate. This power comes at a price, as hate brings with it a whole host of darker things. While there is a time for this sort of thing it is at best a necessary evil, to be used with caution and certainly not to be glorified. Nationalism requires hate. Hate is never, ever just a tool, it is a weapon and must be handled carefully and with respect for the destruction is causes in both its user and its target.
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