[Fyron]

Originally posted by Ruatha:
I can understand you wondering why I only question you and not the others, well, you are the ruler of the World!!

Still. If you start doing the math I don't see that there has been 6 billion people before that has died! I can agree that it's a close match though.

Take 1930 for example. Alot of those 2 billions are still alive, well into their 70-90 years of age. (In the 3:d world life age expactancy is low due to high child mortality, but many of those who survive childhood becomes quite old. This is also the same in the rest of the world in earlier years of our history and prehistory)

The curve only show prevalence of population not incidence of births and/or deaths.

(And yes, I'm quite ashamed. I did the same thing I accused you of, I stand corrected in that area!)

No, most of those people that were alive in 1930 are dead now. Remember, India and China have a very large proportion of the world's population in them, and those countries do not have (and have not had) the greates of medical systems.

Even if you take an average of, say, 10 million people (which is probably a low estimate) being alive for each 50 year period (as average life spans were about that many 1000s of years ago (or maybe less)) of the 50,000 years (a rough estimate of how long our direct ancestors have been around) before the beginning of your graph, that gets you about 10 million x 50,000 / 50 = 10 billion people. That is 10 billion people that were alive that could not be alive today. Of course, these figures are not exact, and were made up for illustrative purposes. But, they are close enough to what the actual values would be, so they work to show you my point. Even if you only want to go back to 30,000 BC, that still gives 6 billion people that were alive before 1 AD. Combined with at least 2 billion people that were alive from 1 AD to sometime before the present date, but are not alive today, that gives more people than are alive today. I forget how long ago our ancestors evolved, but I know it was at least 30,000 years ago, and probably a lot longer.

Originally posted by Iggiboo:
The bible does not make a difference between man/human/humanity. Therefore in my statements prior, I also did not make the difference.

Sadly, most religions look upon men and women as totally different species. This is one of the main problems that slow humanity's advancements.

Interesting... so you are saying that religion is one of the main problems that slow humanity's advancements? Technically, the Catholic Church did perpetuate the European Dark Ages for many more centuries than it would have Lasted otherwise by persecuting any scientists that cropped up as heretics (eg: Galileo). Confucianism in China also apparently stagnated advancements during about the same period as the European Dark Ages.

[ March 07, 2003, 20:29: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]