[DavidG]

Originally posted by Unknown_Enemy:

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the underlying structure of the church was instrumental in both the preservation of knowledge and education

Indeed but I would argue that the biggest achievement of the Church has been the implementation of moral values which are still in effect in all western society. These values tamed the barbarians (Francs and others) and allowed the evolution of our civilization.

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Knowing what is morally right and wrong is quite possible without the help of the chruch. In fact some would argue the opposite. (something along the lines that you can do whatever you want and then confess your sins and still get into heavan)It has always bothered me how some people seem to think that if you don't believe in God then you don't know what is right and wrong. (and no I am not accusing you of this but some people seem to believe this)