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Arrg.... post lag.

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
you want proof, try faith. it can't work any other way.

"Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Faith is not about believing in things that you could find. Faith is about believing in things that cannot be proven. Faith is about those things that are out of Science's league: the value of a man, life after death, the existence of a supreme being. Faith is not proof. Faith is what you use when proof is not possible, not when it simply is not available.

Originally posted by Jack Simth:
Some of the Creation-related Biblical stories would leave footprints - the Flood, for example, has a few things it would leave behind, such as Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat (there are witnesses to it, and satelite photos of an anomily that would fit the description) and evidence of a large water cataclysm (a Biblical explanation of the fossil record, also a good explanation for the smoothness of modern coal, trans-strata petrified trees, and a few other things).

You are not telling me about footprints to look for. You are pointing at things we already know about and tying them into your theory.
Tell me about something we will find. When we find it, it will be proof (not perfect proof, but proof). If we don't find it, you will not be penalized. If we find that it is not possible, your theory will require revision.

I tell you we will find transitional specimens. 'We haven't found them yet' does not disprove evolution, but finding them is the test of it, always has been. Please read, again, my first unreasonably large post.

And dependence on eyewitness reports is unacceptable. If it is real, bring in consistent evidence. Those satellite photos over Turkey have not been reproduced. Yes, it looks like there's something there. It also looked like there was a face on Mars. We checked closer. It's a hill.

Originally posted by Jack Simth:
Strictly speaking, nothing about the past can be proven.

Oh my. In response to this I must speak the most terrible thing I could ever say to another speaking creature.

Bah.

This is the path of desperation. Strictly speaking you can never prove anything. Try proving the existence of time. We have all this evidence, but we have to start with a belief in the past in order to test and prove that time exists. That one hurts me in special places.

Yes, historical theories are difficult to prove, but we not actually sure about gravity either. It's possible that we are completely misunderstanding the mechanics of it. But it is darn good enough to accept as fact. And evolution can get 'good enough' as well. Eventually we'll see it happen anyway.

And with that unnecessarily personal comment, I am offically stepping out of this thread for the day.

Stay turned to this channel for Fyron's lecture on Faith. I know I will.