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Hmmm. Step out for ~24 hours, and there's a ton to respond to. I guess I'll just have to excerpt quotes from the Last three pages:

Fyron:

"Scientific origin hypothesis..." "Any hypothesis that does not have a sound logical basis can be safely dismissed without a second thought. Most scientific hypotheses that are concocted fall under this Category too. It is only the ones that stand up to bombardment by the scientific community as a whole that can be translated into theories."

I'll deal with most of this later. For now, suffice it to say that at best, this blurs the line between science (repeatable, observable experimentation) and educated guessing. At worst, it blurs the line between science and pick a theory. You cannot experiment on the past, so origin theories are outside of the realm of science.

Loser:

"The big difference, here, between Creationism and the Theory of Evolution is that evolution can be proven. I'm not saying it has been proven, but it is possible... given enough time..."

Don't make Fyron straighten you out on evolution versus origins. Unless, as 99.9% of people, you use evolution to mean how everything came to be here, from the beginning to the present. Again, no origins theory can be proved, as there would have been no observation.

Fyron:

"The reason I ask this is that you are not arguing from a valid foundation. If you are going to declare a theory wrong, you have to present a valid counter-theory (simply spurting out Creationism is not a theory, but a hypothesis)."

I'm assuming, again, that you're placing creationism on the same basis as evolution--that is, not as a theory of origins? Or are you comparing the two families of origins theory?

Loser:

"Yes, historical theories are difficult to prove, but we not actually sure about gravity either. It's possible that we are completely misunderstanding the mechanics of it. But it is darn good enough to accept as fact. And evolution can get 'good enough' as well. Eventually we'll see it happen anyway."

Fyron would tell you your analogy doesn't work because you're comparing two different things--historical theories and scientific theories. By definition, historical theories cannot be experimented on or repeated. In some cases, historical research (documents, interviews, etc) can be done, but I don't think that works too well for origin theories--the Big Bang doesn't accept interviews, and God's too busy answering my prayers to answer your questions.

Fyron:

"I am no longer going to directly respond to arguments that clearly confuse evolution with origin theories. It is very tiring, and very unproductive. If you want to argue against evolution, stop mixing origin theories in with it."

I want to argue about origins--stop mixing evolution in with it. Why does every debate we have need to be about evolution? Why can't it be about origins? Maybe because one can't apply logic and science to it?

That's the big problem here. In effect, the evolution "side" of this argument says "Creationists, produce proof for your side." Since the supernatural is unproveable, the creationist platform is assumed to be proven false. Logic itself would dictate that unproveability does not equal falsehood, and that quantifiability does not equal superiority. They are two separate realms. Gotta run now--I will edit this post and finish my thoughts in an hour or so.