Wow! And I just play the game to stay alive
I've been playing a lot of P&N games where "classical" victory can be very very difficult, if not impossible. Also playing a B5 game, where the two Ancient Races are so much more powerful, that victory cannot be defined as one race predominating/conquering the universe. Instead players will have to be satisfied with one "side" forcing the other into submission. I guess I either choose these types of games because
i) I'm an egotistical optimist who thinks he can overcome any challenge (do the impossible, acheive the classical victory where it isn't possible), or
ii) I'm not in it for the classical "win".
I'll submit that when I play chess, I'm in it for the win, but something like P&N... I'm just happy to successfully board a freighter and demonstrate to the occupants the correct usage of the airlock system

What's Imperator Fyrons signature? "It's not whether you win or lose, it's how much pain you cause along the way". It's just
so satisfying to recieve a message from the Uber-Race's diplomat, begging on bended knee "gee willickers, can I please have my colonyship back now Mr. Pirate"
Now, back to my Ego, Ergo and why I love my mother
Edit: Oh, and if I'm in first or second place, I see no reason why I shouldn't have many long knives protruding from my back!
[ June 07, 2003, 18:38: Message edited by: jimbob ]