[dumbluck]

I appreciate all of your help on this, but I must admit that I am still pretty confused about why the AI hates me so much.

1) The AIs that hate me as soon as we have a treaty had never seen any of my systems, so they don't lust after my planets. I know this because NO ONE had seen my systems in any way UNLESS they visited them before I did (which is not a very high probability).

2) The AIs had seen exactly ONE of my ships: the one that made first contact then immediately turned tail and ran out of the system. So they can't be angry with me over that.

3) I never initiate any conversations with them (i figured out on my own that they don't much like to be pestered with lots of general Messages).

4) I'm not MEE (hell, i'm not even in first place! the red guy that builds lots of ships is. he's got like 30 or 40 more ships than I do.)

So why do they hate me as soon as I make a treaty with them?

As an update, I HAVE found two races that don't hate me as soon as I make a treaty with them. One is the phong, I'm their partner and they are brotherly with me. the other is the red guys that build lots of ships. I just met them a few turns ago (but knew they were there for longer thru the phong). we have a TA, and they still like me. One thing to note is that there is one empire between my systems and each of my two treaties. I know that the red guys haven't seen my systems, and (of coarse), the phong have. Is it possible that there is a bug and the AI lusts after your systems even if it CAN'T see them?

[This message has been edited by dumbluck (edited 25 March 2001).]