[narf poit chez BOOM]

page 3. i have a lot to catch up on.

Spoon
Ironically, you are free to do those things even with a Christian God. You just need to be sure to repent and accept Jesus as you savior sometime before you die. (at least according to some interpretations...)

my own beleif, backed up by personal experience, is that you will pay for those crimes before you are forgiven.

Andres
It's not intuition, it's judgemnent.
In some aspects it looks like religions say, don't think, this is what God commands, all you have to do is obey.

my own beleif and, i think, the beleif of my religeon, is that i'm free to think whatever i want until God says what the answer is. yes, that answer can come from the established heirarchy, but that sam heirarchy tells my to pray to see if what their saying comes from God.

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Atrocities, i wouldn't give away my pain. i learned to much from it, and i'm going to learn even more as i work through it. without the pain i've had in my life, i suspect i'd be shallow and always want things my way.

Debating about religion is highly over rated IMHO. But believe what you want, tis the only true freedom any of us truly have.

as well as the freedom to act and thus, choose our consequences.

Fyron
Invented, created, concocted, came up with, thought up, dreamed up, use whatever term you want. Good evidence is the fact that noone begins their life with any set religious views; everyone has to be spoon fed them to have them.

free will. requires we be born that way.

It is a pretty safe assertation that they all had to evolve from somewhere... and "the word of God" is not a good point, as EVERY non-animistic religion (with some form of deity...) can say that (not God, but whatever deity(ies) they worship).

so, every single scientist in the world is wrong, because they all say science backs them up. and, yes, you can check to see if God backs something up. pray.

Erax
For the record Narf, I don't think you are 'imposing' your views on anyone. You definitely have them and you defend them whenever necessary, yet you do not criticize anyone who disagrees with you (and you keep your good humor too). I admire your behavior.

thanks. i was talking about some people in general, not anyone here in particular. personally, i beleive that it's best to build up your own beleifs and not critisize anyone elses, because that way, your beleif wins on content. and, on a review, i did say something in a manner i shouldn't have.

Spoon - see above. and stop blaming God for your personal tragedy's. most of mine are my fault or another human's. the rest are accidents.

that was an arrogant statement, and i apologize for the assumption.