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are we talking about school kids here, or drunken bar brawls? I will grant you that fighting has become less socially acceptable in recent generations, and kids these days are tending to be rather prissy in many respects (devolution at work, but lets not get started on that.)

But seriously, most people are going to posture before they fight. wither that means talking loudly, looking mean, or pushing, its all the same. People dont really WANT to fight, they just want the other guy to back down. There is an interesting website called "killology.com" that presents some well researched articles about soldiers' historical adVersion to killing each other, and how modern first world training techniques "fix" that problem.

Any way, most people dont know how to fight - and most people dont want to REALLY fight. and if were still talking about school kids, most of them dont get hurt in a fight. sure, they might be sore for a day or so afterwords, but odds are it will end up with the guys hitting each other untill they get tired.

most of the one hit knockdown stuff only happens on TV, so people have some very distorted ideas about what will happen when they get in a fight. its not like school kids are usually going to be gouging eyes and ****. But if they did, as with most things, it comes down to a matter of willpower. If you're willing to break bones and the other guy isnt, you'll win.

im not into all that antler-locking mating ritual bull**** and i dont have alot of patience for folks that like to posture. but im not going to be all macho for the folks on this forum by describing how to break someones patella. suffice to say, people would be better off we could all express our differences in a healthy way, because although I may not have been the strapping young man Gryph was -- he IS right -- darwin offers some very compelling reasons to never back down.