[gregebowman]

Well, I never really messed with any of the scenario or map editors, so I wouldn't know about that. I know CTP was made by another company, but it's still played basically the same, and it's still called Civilization. I guess my grammar could have been better in how I phrased it. Also, I know most of you are into multi-player, but it's not my bag, so again I wouldn't have noticed any differences. As far as espionage, it's something I might do every once in awhile, but not all of the time. You obviously have tried every fact of the game, while I just play the basic game. I don't doubt that in your opion, Civ3 is a POS. However, IMO, it's a great game worth playing (as I play it).