[dogscoff]

7. We know Iraq had weapons of mass destruction

Yes, once upon a time. However the ones unnaccounted for would have degraded beyond use years ago.

10. Therefore they are no longer compling [with what UN has told them to do]

Israel has been defying the UN for decades. Should the US invade them as well?

13. US led coalition frees the Iraqi people from a very evil dictator and will soon hopefully get a solid government setup and leave

Yeah, but the US did a crap job of it. They went in there and blew some **** up, that's fine, but they had no police force ready to pick up the pieces. They stood back and watched for a week or two while looters ripped the cities apart (apart from the oil ministry- they protected that from day 1). Then suddenly they took to shooting any civilians who looked even slightly suspicious on sight, fuelling revenge attacks and hatred.

And I've seen the footage of this, it ain''t pretty. I saw a documentary, and I watched an armoured car drive down the street at speed, shooting a guy who was just stood on the pavement. People drag him into a shop, but blood is pouring out of a hole in his head like water out of a tap. 5 US troops repeatedly kick a teenage boy who is lying on the floor, apparently he was caught shoplifting. Iraqi women look on in disgust from balconies. You wonder why they hate the US? Half of these so-called terrorist attacks against US soldiers in Iraq now are just ppl trying to avenge relatives who were killed without any particular provocation by US troops after the supposed "end of hostilities". Sure, Saddam was worse, but the US are trying to set themselves up as the good guys. The whole thing couldn't have been handled worse, and now the US will have to stay in even longer until it all calms back down. It's almost as if that's what bush wanted from the start.

1 problem with [bush] in office and that is the Patriot Act.

That alone should be enough to put you off him. The Partiot act stripped away many of the fundamental rights and priveleges that differentiate America from, say, Iraq under Saddam Hussein. And that was just the foot in the door. Patriot act II is coming...

soon we will have two stright men that live together asking for the same rights or one guy and his 3 wives or even weirder situations.

Yeah... what's your point?

There are not a lot of people struggling to adopt ... Gay Marriage:

Allow gays to marry, and give them the same adoption rights as hetero married couples. That will increase the number of potential adoptive parrents. Two birds, one stone=-)


Lord Chane: Right on mate. Joachim too, I agree.

the slavery debate...

There's still a debate about it???

I fear for this country. And Hilary makes me even more scared.

That sums it up, really. Bush has got you scared. He's got you so scared you'll let him do whatever the hell he likes. Strip away your civil liberties? Sure. Send your countrymen with your tax money to invade other countries for the benefit of your oil-industry buddies? No problem, just pull the covers over my head for me and protect me from the monsters under my bed.

There are Groups out there that hate the free world and are moving to destroy us. And so far Bush is the only candidate who has done something and stands his ground.

There was no link between Al-Qaeda and Iraq. That war was fought for other reasons, as was the war on Afghanistan. Most of the 11/9 hijackers were Saudis. Osama Bin Laden is a Saudi. A Saudi Prince, in fact, although he did work for the CIA for a while.
Most of the fanatical US-hating arabs you are so scared of in this world are- you guessed it- Saudi. Al-Qaeda is funded with Saudi money- lots of it, because the Saudi royal family is very very rich. So why hasn't the US attacked Saudi Arabia? Why isn't Saudi Arabia part of Bush's 'axis of evil'? Good questions with answers that might surprise you. I'll let you look up the answers for yourself.

But I digress...
Bush and his crew wanted an oil pipeline across Afghanistan. It says so in the PNAC, which is publicly available and predates 11/9/2001. A year or two before the the US attacked the Taliban, Bush's buddies were putting them up in 5-star hotels in Texas to try to get the pipeline ligitimately, but the Taliban weren't interested. So Bush invaded under the smokescreen of his "war on terror".
It's much the same story with Iraq. The PNAC says America must control Iraq and suddenly- hey presto- Iraq is not some broken-down little regime starving to death under international sanctions, it's a huge, scary bogeyman with weapons of mass destruction and links to AL-Qaeda that must be invaded immediately for the sake of world security.

we are at the beginning of the next World War

Only if you let Bush continue to push everyone toward it.