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Old December 20th, 2000, 11:23 PM
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Default Re: Wanted: Cheating AI

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What I'm trying to say here is that sweeping this all under the rug of "lazy programmers" can only be spoken by someone with no knowledge of AI programming at all.

This is supposed to be my learning experience???
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I should like to point out in passing that you'd be less subject to being "flamed" if you were less free and easy dealing out insults to people you don't know working in a problem domain that you haven't worked in.

So far you have been talking down on me and insulted ME (read the first quote to refresh your memory). I have NOT, on the other hand, insulted you back like most people would do in my situation. So it doesn't look like you are the right person to tell me NOT to insult other people. I didn't insutlted YOU to justify such a reaction, and if you really wanted to 'teach' me something, you would do it in more civilized manner. This way it only looks like you were using me to lay off some of your frustrations and I don't like it.
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IMO cheating AI as a standard AI in the game is just a product of laziness of programmers.

True. It may have sounded like an insult, but then again, as you said, it could be a learning experience too.
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One should not sweep programmers under the rug of being "lazy" if they put cheats into their game A.I. It's simply not correct.

First of all, I am entitled on my own opinion. If you are not sharing that opinion, you can make an argument using some facts. I didn't see any arguments that I was wrong and 'simply not correct' won't do. I also didn't insult ALL the programmers, or even all programmers who work on AI development for that matter. Also, for your knowledge, I am certainly not the only one with that opinion too. Read other forums and Posts, also read some reviews and previews. Even some journalists were using exactly the same expression on that matter. You will have to do find MUCH better reason to justify your reaction.

You should know that I am not some teenager who knows nothing about the things he talks about. I will NOT be flashing all my knowledge on programming or computers in general like you did but try, for the Last time, to hear this out. I do know that it is HARD to do it. But also you should know that when somebody makes some product that requires something, one should put an effort to finish it right.
And gaming industry requires good AI simply because customers can't always play multiplayer, and have to use it to get some entertainment. HARD is not an argument. Argument is that is has to be done. Entire teams of programmers are assigned to work on programming good AI. So there is NO EXCUSE when some company decides to put an effort on flashy graphics and ignores the development on AI. They have right to do it though, but I have right to call them for what they are (and I am been nice here), weather you like it or not.
Also Last argument on this matter. SE4 is most likely the most complex strategic game on market. 2 programmers have done it. And their AI doesn't cheat.

If you have any valid argument on this, I have open ears and I am always ready to learn something new. But if you plan on insulting me again, skip it (I certainly will). I would prefer first one, since you claim that you work in that area. This post is about cheating AI anyway and hearing something more about it is always welcome.
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