'Tig, I'm tempted to keep arguing but I think the rest of the forum is sick of it, so we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Take it out on me when we meet up on PBW
I've been practising shotokan for about 5 or 6 years now. I've had various periods when I was either not training at all or training and not grading, so I'm only 8th kyu.