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Originally posted by Chris Byler:
"Beer and pretzels" predates any PC gaming (yes, even ADVENT). It was used to refer to "lightweight" board/tabletop games (those that are simpler and/or more chance based and therefore require less serious thought - note that it's not the opponents that make a game beer & pretzels, but the games themselves).

I did not mean to say the term was coined with PC games. I can recall it being thrown around in the old AH 'General' and Strategy & Tactics wargaming magazines. Yes, 'Beer & Pretzels' referred to the game itself and the general complexity of the game.

Originally posted by Chris Byler:
"I wouldn't consider AOWSM beer and pretzels, either. But it's a lot closer than Dom II.

I believe AoW:SM is 'beer & pretzels' compared to DOM2, just as I believe the Disciples series is 'beer & pretzels' when compared to the AoW game series.