[Nagot Gick Fel]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
Only Vanheim, Arco, and Pythium if they get lucky, can reliably expect to be able to cast rain of stones, so you'll have to change your tactics for them.

Rain of Stones is an extreme exemple, there are several other ways to inflict hideous losses to a bunch of unprotected mages who would survive with just Ironskin.

The weightless armors and rainbow armor and so on should be able to help a great deal there.

That's an expensive way to protect a horde of 90 gp mages.

Losing quickness and air 2 to gain ironskin for a few rare cases isn't that much of a deal.

On that I agree. Just wanted to point out that Ironskin is still far from useless. 90 gp mages are expendable if need be, put a dozen close to the front line and try (Ironskin)(Summ. Storm Power)(Mistform)(Mirror Image)(Resist Lightning)(cast spells) someday, works wonders if you can get the timing right so the enemy troops close on your mages as soon as they've finished casting their buffs.

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But he's right. 2 Harab Seraphs cost about the same as a single High Seraph...

Those two harab seraphs are only good for research though

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That's another matter. The point was : "Raptors are a bit faster researchers", and you followed with "I doubt this".