[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
If ANYTHING has Soul Vortex and Phoenix Pyre, it has essentially unlimited resurrections against normal riffraff. You hardly need a VQ for that.

190 points for the VQ, the next cheapest is the PoD, which is hardly as effective.

A VQ is a highly potent base chassis priced at a reasonable 110 points. The baseline model is not that impressive, however, unless you invest a sizeable chunk of your nation points in tweaking it for battle.

Water 2 costs 56 points on her. That's a single scale for a nation with earth 1 mages to make all your opponents normal armies completely useless. Not other pretender can even come close to her survivability.

Ultimately, the VQ has one very specific role: It's built to be the ultimate combat base chassis for a pretender, and very little else.

So why is it no more expensive than a mage chassis like the lich? It should be at least 150 points, as it is considerably more powerful than a titan for example.

By the time you've bought the loadout needed to make it a monster, you have very little free points for anything else:

That's a laughable argument. All you need is to spend 250 points to give her 2 paths at 2, and death at 3. You then have plenty of points remaining for most nations, since you won't need many troops anyways with her capabilities.

So yes, the VQ is definitely the most potent base chassis you can pick for an SC pretender....

Which should make it by default the most expensive chassis, since there are plenty of other combat pretenders out there that aren't nearly as effective and cost more. Why are her new magic paths only a cost of 40 instead of 50 or even 80 of the other combat pretenders? She even has immortality so that your investment is perfectly safe.

The VQ strategy is not an adjunct on top of an existing core strategy that is already strong:

You're scrambling here. To make her a combat monster costs no more than a fire 9 Moloch.

If you're worried your conventional army will be utterly destroyed by it, then don't send your conventional army into a place that the vampire might be:

Then you'll be able to provide strategies that don't involve SC units for every nation to defeat such a pretender. Oh wait. You can't do that, can you.

Thanks for agreeing with me that she's the most powerful pretender by the way, which is exactly what we are saying is the problem. No immortal unit should be the most effective combat pretender.

[ April 14, 2004, 01:47: Message edited by: Graeme Dice ]