[Anglachel]

Originally posted by Tuna-Fish:
Anghlachel, just one small point that has absolutely nothinh to do with the topic:

Your signature is actually a quote from Machiavelli.

Who is the lion and the fox?

I believe Machiavelli's reference to the "lion" and the "fox" is a direect
reference to the Plutarch's description of the Spartan general Lysander
(445BC- 395BC).

The key passage is found in Dryden's translation of Plutarch's The Lives
of Noble Grecians and Romans (Great Books of the Western World, Volume 13,p.357). There, Plutarch writes: "But to those who loved honest and noble behaviour in their commanders, Lysander...seemed cunning and subtle, managing most things in the war by deceit, extolling what was just when it was profitable, and when it was not, using that which was convenient, instead of that which was good; and not judging truth to be in nature better than falsehood, but setting a value upon both according to interest. He would laugh at those who thought Hercules' posterity ought not to use deceit in war: 'For where the lion's skin will not reach, you must patch it out with the fox's.'" (p.357)

Edit:I got this doing a search on google copying and pasting the quote I have in my signature. Just didn't want you to think I am some kind of smarty pants. I got the quote from a fantasy book by Joel Rosenberg called "The Warrior Lives". It prefaced one of the chapters. So basically thanks for questioning it because it was cool looking up Plutarch and seeing his other quotes.

[ April 17, 2004, 13:52: Message edited by: Anglachel ]