[wolfkinsov]

Actually you can get it fairly easy with the Son of Niefel. Go Drain 3 (no big deal if your not planning on magic since it is very difficult research) Cold 3 (Again no big loss for jot) and Misfortune 1 and you have Fire 9 Water 9 Domain 5 and the 30 admin fortress. The Woodcuters have a strength of I think 25 so all Indies pretty much die in one hit and compared to what you get there blessed troops are cheap. 55/11 Try it and watch them cut up indies. Not something you would try on a normal research but he will grow fairly big before running into say Ulm.