[Kel]

[quote]Originally posted by Zen:

Those who are debating for the change have not addressed or countered the points made by those who are not for the 'balance' change.

I actually see the reverse in most cases recently (and this is not specific or directly related to you, personally, btw). I see a lot of "It's not invincible" (whether clams, ermor, pangaea, whatever ) being used in response to "It's over-powered". I also see a lot of "Well, you just don't know how to play" in response to the question of something being over-powered. Finally, there is the "Your point isn't valid because it's just a trend" argument.

I don't really know if clams or ermor or VQs or pangaea, heh...or whatever are overpowered and logic isn't even right 100% of the time...but the logic on why they are has been quite reasonable and persuasive (ok, some of it, not all of it ). Some other people may feel they know better, based on their experiences, and they may or may not be right, but the logic, at least in many cases, hasn't been there to support their anecdotal evidence, imo. At least not to the degree that the other side has presented it.

Of course, people can argue for a lot of reasons and there is the potential to 'band-wagon'. There is also the possibility that some people may be arguing without experimenting much. But really, resistance to change, arrogance and personal agendas on the other side are just as frivolous.

Obviously, changes shouldn't (and won't, I am sure!) be made instantly, without thought, just based on what some have called 'the flavor of the moment' and I have seen some suggestions for the game which were clearly just one person's thoughts on what would be 'cool' to see in a game...but some of these issues, as I understand it, have been around for a while and aren't just an individual trying to make the game 'theirs'.

I respect that a lot of people know more about the game than I do (maybe most people !) but that doesn't make them impartial, it doesn't make them logical, it doesn't mean they don't have personal agendas and it certainly doesn't make them right. Credentials only get you so far.

Like I said, I am not trying to crusade against immortality or VQs or clams...in fact, I don't think we are that far apart from agreement here, anyway...but if something just doesn't sound right, I might just voice my thoughts, noob or not.

- Kel