[Kel]

[quote]Originally posted by Zen:

So what your saying in essence is: If there is a way to beat it, or any number of ways and it has been shown then it can still be overpowered because not every nation/player/skill-level can do it?

I am not saying that at all. I am saying that there is an obvious flaw in the logic that because something is not invincible, it is balanced and that that common argument is fallacious. Let's say you think the VQ is balanced as it is. What if you dropped her price to 0 design points ? She would still have the same vulnerabilities, would she still be balanced ? Clearly not. Yet the assumption gets made that people are only complaining about the VQ because they have no clue how to stop her. It's a poor argument but one that I keep seeing people keep fall back on.

All of those points could be presented to each and every one who presents a point pro or con

Absolutely. It's also why I don't buy the attitude of "Come back and make your arguments when you are as good a player as I am".

Which you should do. I don't believe anyone was shushing anyone or saying "Your opinion is worthless" but more along the lines of "maybe things are not so black and white, this is why".

We will have to agree to disagree on that point because I see more of the former, lately.

- Kel