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Originally posted by Norfleet:

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Originally posted by Blitz:
Ever lost a VQ to angels Norfleet? Could save us a lot of simulating if you had a nice story to share

Only to the AI as a clueless newbie. I've never seen a human player attempt to use Angelic Host in such a manner, and knowing what they were like, I never attempted to pit my VQ against them, for precisely that reason. However, they are kind of a pricey, overly situational solution to the problem, and I tend to favor solutions that are either more spontaneously available, or generally applicable.

The solutions I've proposed are also often derived based on general counters to spell-buffed SCs: As such, they aren't necessarily VQ-specific.

It should also be noted that a mostly unequipped VQ is the primary target: If you're facing a heavily equipped VQ, it's losing a lot of distinction for what makes it a VQ at all, as it is no longer entirely expendable, as losing the entire suit of equipment can get expensive, and thus the VQ player will not senselessly commit a VQ to a battle doesn't expect to win. As long as you have kill teams that can pick out a VQ from most varieties of chaff and put it down with minimal losses, the VQ is no threat to you, immortality or no.

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They are pricey... no way around that... and the most economically viable way to use them seems, ironically, to be spend more by summoning several Hosts... and keeping them together to increase their power.

But they're far from useless against the "non-undead"... that Awe(+4) that each angel has, is actually a pretty snazzy defense. Any normal morale unit stands a pretty high chance of not being able to attack the angel... I was suprised at how many "christmas lights" I saw in my merely basic tests.

Even with chaff issues... staking the VQ to a protective army already seems like a bit of a victory, because she no longer has the flight ability at her disposal... and thus is much more predictable. The Angelic Host caster, could similarly put chaff with his angels... though whether this would be a net gain is debatable.

To respond to your earlier point of:

If you want to make sure the angels get the right target, you may not want to just summondrop them on your target if there's a lot of clutter there: If you order them to attack fliers, on the other hand, they'll nearly always get their victim, because as the lone flier of the Ermorian horde, the VQ will be singled out for death by anyone told to attack fliers.

This is obviously a superior way to go in many ways. However, my idea was merely catching an overconfident VQ out causing turmoil by suprise...

The reality is, that non-Ermorian VQ's (there can be only one) are what most of us "non-expert" players will be facing in the coming months... I think this thread is useful mainly in dispensing with some of the fear/awe that a VQ has started to engender.