[Firebreath]

Oh dear....lol.

Originally posted by Tris:

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and honor, keeping my word, has always been more important to me than ethics.

Um...Keeping your word would be a form of ethics, wouldn't it?

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I think the difference here is in personal values and generally accepted western societal values. Ethics, as far as I am aware, doesn't come into play when you're playing a game! I.e. games give you the opportunity of being a rascal, theif, murdering, lying son of a mother - when in fact you are quite the opposite (one would hope) professionally.

But going back to what seems to be the problem here. I havn't read the ice and fire, but let me see if i can get this straight (correct me, succinctly, if i'm wrong):

Norfleet is accused (a big word) of the dastardly crimes of:
- Deceiving others about his true identity
* I can see nothing wrong with that - missdirection and missinformation are perfectly valid things to do in war. That's what spies, illusions, bluffs, etc are all for. Norfleet's just taken it slightly further.
- Lieing
* Now there's a serious crime. I only try to lie when things are serious and I have no other choice. But if someone chooses to lie in a game - so what? What does it matter?

But the biggest allegation of all (correct me if i'm wrong) is of:
- Breaking delusions as to the infalliability and unsheakable integrity of human nature.
* Well, this kind of thing hurts. You start to lose faith in your own core values. It's not nice. But surely, it's much better that it happens in a game, than in a serious situation?

Maybe Norfleet lied. Ok. Maybe he decieved you. Fine. Maybe he even broke your faith in something you held dear. If that's the case, nourish your hatred of him. Plan your vengeance. Keep it close to your heart. Try out new strategies. When you are ready - you can face him. For the best effect, as Cainenhill suggested - face him 1 vs 1, so that the true power and satisfaction of sweet revenge can be brought to bear, that of having beaten a rascal honourably.

But as Norfleet said about 5 times - there is a game to be played! I don't know where Graeme's accusations came from, though as far as I'm concerned Norfleet doesn't need to cheat to win a game . There is a big, big difference between cheating and behaving like a rascal. If the sole premise of not wanting to play this game is that:
1)Norfleet said he would modify the map (bearing in mind he could have modified it to his own advantage without saying anything)
2)Norfleet acted in a manner you found distastefull in a different game.
Then I do not believe there is valid reason for believing that Norfleet would stoop to cheating (which has a very closed definition. Things like lieing, deception, etc do not come into it).

Now, if no one has any further objections, could we please get this matter out of the way and play - we've been waiting for 2 weeks just to start this game, god knows how long it's going to take to finish it...

[ May 24, 2004, 14:50: Message edited by: Firebreath ]