June 24th, 2004, 07:21 PM
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Re: Proposition: Zen vs. Norfleet
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Originally posted by Arryn:
Actually, it's with young folk where this is most prevalent, especially teens. Most older folk are aware of their limitations, at least the ones that play games (gamers are by no means "average" or representative examples of the population at large).
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I think this is some sort of crazy perception issue as to what is young, old and 'in between'. I definitely agree the maturity of the 'young' players, some represented here in the Dom2 community was in question by myself and perhaps a few other people. 
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By the by, being an older woman myself, and consistently always losing to you, I have never, ever, claimed you were cheating or any other reason for losing than that you simply outmaneuvered me, had better tactics, or simply knew the game far better than I. If I were to play Norfleet, I would not claim that I lost because his VQ is unfair/unbalanced. I would lose because he has a better strategy and knows how to play his strategy/nation better than I know mine. Whether he's impossible to beat is highly debateable. What is a fact is that I am not prepared to do so (and may never be).
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I never said you did, just giving a generality that I have seen (like playing Pictionary with an older women, is hell). But since most of the games I have played, I have played mostly 'staffers' (beta testers, artists, developers) in a variety of games and have found them to be very congenial and only rarely of your experience (changing the game because they were hammered by a particular strategy/style). Most of my experience with them is that they have crazy ideas of how they play the game which is not the most efficent/effective way and get beaten badly by someone who takes the game to the extreme ends.
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The original motivation, methinks, for the creation of this thread (besides educating us inferior players) is to see if another expert player (Zen) could defeat Norfleet's Ermor strategy. The only real way to have known if the VQ was unbalanced (as well as clams, etc.) was to have played on a "level" playing field where two players, both experts at the game, battled it out.
That such a match is unlikely to occur is a great loss to the entire Dom 2 community.
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I will reinstate the previous VQ with a mod if Norfleet is going to throw a tantrum and alot of people want to play/watch and it actually *would* be a benefit to the community (which I highly doubt, a benefit to the community but that's because I don't think that the strategies used are all that highly evolved and are largly based around the sway of the game and there is a large part of the game that is affected by game generated random features [starting positions, indeps, etc] but I could be wrong, I have been before). Though then other people might throw a tantrum. For all Norfleet's "I don't like to play a Modified game, it was made this way so I play it this way" he has distinct problems when the original game changes and has a fit whenever patches come out for Norfleet only knows why reasons.
[ June 24, 2004, 18:24: Message edited by: Zen ]
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