[Scott Hebert]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
You need 2 of the 3 elemental picks to come up as fire for devils, which basically means that they will show up quite often.

Well, let's see the probability. I count 20 different combinations of FAWE in a configuration of 3: FEW/FAW/FAE/AWE/FFW/FFE/FFA/AAF/AAW/AAE/WWF/WWA/WWE/EEF/EEA/EEW/FFF/AAA/EEE/WWW

Of those, 4 of them have FF. That leads to a .2 probability of getting a Fire-2 'Blood Mystic'. Not _too_ often. You can expect to get a Fire-2 'Blood Mystic' every 3rd or 4th Mystic you buy. That's not 'quite often' to me. Certainly, you can expect it before too long. OTOH, there is a .327 probability that you can hire 5 and not get one. If you think a .2 probability is 'quite often', then you have to agree that a .308 probability is more than 'quite often'.

Now, if you want to talk about having a 'Blood Mystic' that has one Elemental property at 2, that's far more likely. IIRC, that gives a much better chance of summoning _some_ Elemental Demon, but that's not much different than what Mictlan can do, and Mictlan's summoners are 1) sacred, and 2) guaranteed.

There's also the question of increasing your Blood magic with 'Blood Mystics', which would require either 1) Empowerment, or 2) Your Pretender.

I still stand by my original belief that 'Blood Mystics' per se would not overshadow Mictlan.

Not much more expensive than Abysia, where a warlock apprentice is 170 gold, capital only, and non-sacred.

The Warlock Apprentice is 150, not 170. He also has Astral magic, which is unavailable to a 'Blood Mystic'. I think you might have been conflating the Warlock Apprentice's cost with that of the Warlock, which is 270.

Besides, while Abysia is supposed to be a 'Blood nation', they certainly don't do it as well as Mictlan, and if you make a mod that has a Blood nation that is on par with base Abysia, that would tend to support my belief that it wouldn't overshadow Mictlan.

Scott

[ June 09, 2004, 19:29: Message edited by: Bayushi Tasogare ]