[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Blitz:
Honestly, I am sick of this. Both of you have already admitted that the Shedu is overcosted, which pretty much is the whole damn point.

No, the point was that you were stating that the Shedu has no redeeming qualities and was useless. I also haven't admitted that the Shedu was overcosted, since I haven't seen a pretender that can give you access to both high level earth and astral magic for the same cost.

While yes, the Shedu does fill the niche of "early flying trampler for people who want an earth-astral blessing", in all honesty that is a very limited role of extremely dubious merit.

Earth and astral magic aren't a useful combination? They are one of the more useful combinations considering the synergy between the paths.

In addition he isn't going to collapse in a heap halfway through the battle and require assistance from your other troops.

Neither will the Shedu unless you happen to be playing with independents 9.

She also flies, is much more useful in the lategame, and her lack of trample is quite frankly seen as a bonus by most players who know what they are talking about.

I always like it when people make an argument from popularity. Why don't you name these "most players". It looks to me more like it's just you and Norfleet.

Again, a convoluted strategy of forged shrouds of the battle saint and an earth 4, astral 4 blessing just really isn't a very efficient use of a pretender god.

Then go earth 2 astral 9. Twist fate is certainly worth it on sacred units.

Frankly I doubt either of you were doing anything at all with the Shedu before, and I highly doubt that either of you will play much with him ever again.

I've already told you the game conditions where I would take a Shedu over most other pretenders. A blitz game where the goal is to capture 4 of 7 victory points on a small map like Brittain or Urgaia.

While this thread was meant to be a discussion of the golden era theme, it has become a forum for defending the shedu... a chassis that I've never seen in a MP game.

Which is nothing more than an argument from popularity. We are also objecting to your arrogant tone.

[ June 21, 2004, 19:22: Message edited by: Graeme Dice ]