[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Blitz:
[QB]Thanks for demonstrating that the Moloch was the cheapest chassis for a fire-9 base. I'm sure there were a few monkeys who didn't catch it. Thanks to this observation, I believe the debate is over. The Moloch is fine.[qb]

It's nice to see that you _completely_ missed the point. You made the argument that the Phoenix is a better chassis for a fire-9 blessing than the Moloch. Since it costs 123 extra points to get that blessing, and gives you a less useful combat unit at the same time, this is very doubtful.

Wonderful observation. I wasn't aware that a single unit wasn't the answer to all the game's problems. Since this revelation, I guess the Moloch is fine.

You made the statement that he was clearly worse than both the virtue and PoD. Since he will be running around with an army for most of the game anyways, this isn't really that important.

Thank you for clarifying the importance of items. I wasn't aware that flying humanoid meant a flying unit with humanoid slottage. I missed the unit that solved the routing imp problem, but you seem confident, so let's just assume the Moloch is fine.

It's nice to see that you've now started desperately grasping at straws by deliberately ignoring what you wrote. I'll present it for you again here:

Having said that, even with imp removal... the 70 point paths make building a killing machine extremely expensive.

You stated that it was expensive to make him a killing machine, so I simply demonstrated that he works just fine as one even with no added magic whatsoever.

It wasn't meant to be an archtype build for the Moloch, only to remind people that his path cost was extremely high. I don't really know where the mistform comment came from. Cloud trapeeze and mirror image are the key spells. Mistform is a toy.

Mistform with 2 air only gives you something like three or four images. That's nice, but not particularly useful. You'll expect to see size 6 tramplers coming after you if you rely on mirror images, and those will get rid of them very quickly. You also don't get to build the air boosting items without bumping it up to 3, which makes it not really worth the cost.

I don't find it irrelevant at all. The Last time there was a debate on a pretender chassis, you and a few others seemed hell-bent to disprove all arguments that he wasn't working well.

No, I was determined to show that you didn't understand the niche that the Shedu filled. He's the best there is for a very specific role.

Even with imps removed I doubt anyone would use him over other flying humanoids unless they wanted the bless effect. Therefore, imp removal would not suddenly catapult the Moloch to the top of the pretender tree.

This is as ridiculous a statement as I've seen. You clearly don't realize just how fragile a virtue is if you think that people wouldn't use a Moloch over one.

You on the other hand, have made points that nobody disputes, least of all myself... making your post completely irrelevant.

You might want to go back and re-read your own post, since you've ignored the problems with everything you wrote in making up your responses.

Obviously once again you are making an attempt to discredit your percieved foes by attacking their dominions 2 knowledge, spelling, or child care theories.

Obviously you don't really have much of a clue about how the game works as demonstrated by the information you've provided. I'm attacking the mistakes you made in your argument, which means it might help if you didn't pretend that you had never made those mistakes.