Re: upkeep
I think it's silly to try to argue whether Trolls or Vine Orges are "better." They each have their advantages and disadvantages.
I recently won a MP game, and Trolls and Vine Orges were key to the win. I summoned the Trolls early on for a quick tough army with which to destroy a Marignon assault. Later in the game, when income had been decimated by many turns of BoT and lots of pillaging, I used giant armies of Vine Orges to roll over Ermor. The Vine Orges wouldn't have done the job early in the game, and I could never have afforeded the upkeep on Trolls later in the game.
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