[tinkthank]

Originally posted by Norfleet:

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Originally posted by tinkthank:
The beauty of Starship Troopers was that it was camp; it made Heinlein into something enjoyable.

If, by "making into something enjoyable", you mean "gutting of all previously existing substance", then yeah, that's true.

However, catering to the lowest common denominator does not make for a truly good product....it just makes for crap that is quickly forgotten. In 20 years, the book will live on. The movie will be forgotten.

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Substance? Heinlein with Substance? Please!

I said the film was "camp"; I like camp; camp is enjoyable. Camp is crap. Sometimes, this is good. (Think: "Buckaroo Banzai"). Camp is useless. Tom Stoppard once said of some of his plays that they are like a golden Mickey Mouse statue: completely useless, but somehow cute.
I like that sometimes when it is clever; Starship Troopers was clever. (No, not the hack-n-slash bits, but the rather clever and ironic way in which war and dogmatism were portrayed; it was a very nice parody of American fachism.) Starship Troopers is thus a valid dystopian criticism of Heinlein's weak and uncritical optimism. I would think that you, of all people, Norfleet, would appreciate that!

Asimov at least had a couple of ideas; these, however, were and are much better found elsewhere.