[Boron]

Originally posted by PvK:
Note that if you do take higher magic scales, the Ladies become more economical researchers. They also have more slots for research-boosting items.

PvK

thnx pvk .
i already covered that . most likely you just have overread it

Originally posted by Boron:
so while the carrion ladies have give the same roi on research + reanimation ( negligible better : 3 reanimation / 6 research for 24 nature gems compared to 25 for the carrion lord ) their physical fragility makes them worthless compared to the carrion lords.

you are right with research items they are better researchers but their physical fragility makes them still very vulnerable to seeking arrow and the like . so there overall RoI is still much lower then that of the carrion lord .

furthermore getting the research items as pan cw is not easy :
the skull mentor is a good choice with +9 research for 10 death gems .
the Panic Apostates can massproduce them without empowerment .
but deathgems are rare . they could be spent on banelords , wraith swords and the like too .

the owl quill gives you +3 research for 5 air gems . pan cw lacks though a natural air forger .
your harpy hero has A2 and perhaps your pretender .
but again , i think a staff of storms or other air items are more needed investments i think .

finally the lightness lantern : +6 research for 5 fire gems .
this one is a good research item for pan cw .
in my personal pan cw built i though completely lack fire magic .
furthermore pangenea has to fight cash shortages . fire gems help much against that weakness of pan cw .

but your lightness lanterns are a very good option for pan cw i agree
in sp you have problems to massproduce them yourselves but you neither really need them there too . Ai is as bad against pan cw as against ermor .

in mp if you get skull mentors or lightness lanterns through trade then this is great of course

so i agree with you that they are good
only small part where i differ :
if you get them then you should still put them on your carrion lords .
with 15 hp a carrion lady might get killed by a seeking arrow or fires from afar or an early game assasin .
i think you can say a carrion lady has something like 30-50% probability to survive any of the 3 mentioned attacks early - midgame while a carrion lord has about 90-95% probability to survive that .

you have good points but carrion ladies are still not worth being considered as alternative for carrion lords because of their fragility

edit :

Originally posted by PvK: They also have more slots for research-boosting items

according to unitattributes.xls both have 2 misc slots . total amount of slots is the same too .

edit 2 :
my ingame check confirmed that

[ July 31, 2004, 18:06: Message edited by: Boron ]