[Cainehill]

Originally posted by The Panther:
This game seems to be yet another indication that the VQ is grossly overpowered and must be nerfed (or eliminated) in the next patch. Look at Vanheim taking level 9 provinces with a single god and no army. He is now also taking additional provinces with his real army (getting two in the Last turn).

This just does not seem right to me. No god should ever be able to take a level 5 or above neutral province without troops, for it messes up the basic structure of the game.

Excuse me? "No god should ever be able to take a level 5 or above neutral province by itself"? Almost any but the combat-useless human rainbows can take independent-6 or higher provinces all by themselves. Some require more magic research than others, or a magic item or two, and it may require some cherry picking of provinces, but it's easily doable.

I guess maybe I'm not playing the same Dominions 2 you're playing? The only major thing wrong with the VQ is that immortality is overpowered because of free recuperation. It'd also be nice if the VQ had a fire susceptibility to balance its strengths (and also because it's thematic - crosses, stakes, sunlight, fire, holy water - traditional banes of vampires).

Marignon with a Phoenix can take indies 6 or higher right out the gate - sure, it dies a few times, no biggie.

Pangaea's Carrion Dragon - alteration 2 or 3, enchantment 1, rips through independents 6 and higher, barring knights and some mage types.

PoD : With heavy armor and a shield, ditto; easily doable for Ulm, some Vanheim themes, etc.

In fact : Vanheim might easily be doing this with their VQ : Full Black Plate, 18 armor etherealness, by turn ... 5?

Great Wyrm, Cyclops, Shedu, Niefel Giant, Ghost King - there's a whole list of pretenders capable of soloing independents at 6 or above.

If you want to slam the VQ as still being overpowered, please come up with some more compelling reasoning and logic.

(And I'm not even a VQ fan.)