[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Boron:

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Originally posted by Cainehill:
For example - Caelum : Virtue, PoD, and Moloch all seem to be roughly on par with a VQ. Sure, maybe a little lighter in the loafers, but real close - enough that you can see building a game and pretender against any, and not just the VQ.

the "problem" now with the vq is that the races who can still afford her , mainly caelum and abysia are already good races without vq .

this makes them even more desireable . from my short experience now abysia + caelum are under the 5 first chosen races in most offered games .

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You missed my point. Yes, you can build an uber-VQ with Abysia or Caelum (also with Pangaea, also with Ulm, also with Jotunheim). But with those same points, Abysia and Caelum can also build unGodly Virtues, PoDs, etc, that are _JUST_ as potent as the VQ. Their only problem is when they die or get feebleminded, they don't shrug it off the way the VQ does. (Albeit Pan's Carrion Dragon shrugs off the feebleminding.)