[Stormbinder]

Second - the only mage capable of clamhoarding that you had in the beginning was your own pretender. And I am sure your GK pretender with 6 schools of magic at level 4-5 would have better thing to do than to forge clams every turn.

D3W with a bracelet. Not hard to do.

Not exactly. To make a braclet you need a Con 6. That's 600 RPs. (20+40+60+100+160+260) It is not even *technically* possible to do as Soul Gate Ermor on Magic 3 before at least turn 10, and your reseach graphs confirm it. It is now turn 22. Are you saying that you did not build any Clams before at least turn 11 (+1 turn to make a braclets), probably later? And you have said you used hammers to forge a lot of your equipment, including probably your clams. How many Dwarven Hammers do you have?

This, and the fact that you had zero astral or water income from the sites (just because you didn't search for any sites until 7 turns ago), means that you could not possibly produce a lot of clams by now, and therefore could not have a lot of astral income from them yet.

So - how many Clams and how many Fetishes do you have in your Empire by now, turn 23? Approximate number is ok, if you can't calculate the exact number.

Depends on how you define "a lot". Is a figure somewhere between 30 and 40 a lot?

Hmmm. Did you mean you have between 30 and 40 Clams and Fetishes together, or between 30 and 40 Fetishes and between 30 and 40 Clams? If you mean together, than it is not that much.

Also do I understand you correctly, that you are saying that you didn't use alchemy to fund these constructions? I though you have said yesterday that:
"When I alchemized to fund the construction of my buildings, I mostly used firegems from my fetishes". Is it correct?

Incorrect: I said alchemy did not constitute the bulk of my gold production, and when needed, it was primarily fetish-based.

All right, point taken. So how many Fetishes you have now, to sub your massive castle constructions? The approximate number is fine.

Putting "average 40 Death gems yield" claim aside - how many Air 4 Casters capable of casting Raven Feast spell do you have? Air 4 is very hard to get for Soul Gate Ermor early on in the game. Or are you using your pretender to cast these Raven Feasts?

Sorcereii.

I assume you mean Sorceress? How many sorceress with Air 4 do you have now? Is she lucky Air 2 with Winged Helmet and Bag of Winds?

Also how many Raven Feasts total have you casted by now? Again, you may give aprox. number if you have to.

I am not a beancounter that dwells in the past. I have many games to play, many of which blur together, and I have honestly have no recollection of exactly how many times I have cast it.

That's ok, I am not asking you a specific number. Can you at least recollect if you have casted it in once per 2 turns in average? Once per 3 turns? Every turn?

So please tell how many castles you have by now, turn 23? And I assume you have both temples and labs in almost all of your castles, correct? Again, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, I am just trying to make sure that I understand your explanations correctly.

I am not going to beancount castles for you, sorry. I rejected this when you proposed this method of castle-limitation before, and I'm not going to try and count them now.

Norfleet, you can't have that many castles, and they are easy to count. It will not take you more than 30 seconds, you have spend *much* more time writing these answers. Or is it another information that you have chosen not to reveal before the game is officially over?

Speaking of which - please tell me what is your current regular gem income from the magic sites, without clams/fetishes?

I do not care to discuss this matter at this time. This will have to wait.

Norfleet, please. You are in the game with 3 absolute newbies, for whom it is the first game, and with Cohen's Abyssia who is not nearly in the position to threaten you, who have no army, and whose gem income, territory, castles, research are totally inferior to you, and whose only SC (his pretender) was killed by you and came back hopelessly crippled and unfit for any battle. All other players together do not constitute even 5% of the force that you posses, and they all perfectly aware of this fact. So please don't worry about revealing any strategic secrets, especially when I am asking you about information that is visible from the graphs to everybody, like your magic sites current income.


So please tell us what is your current gem income from the magic sites, and how much of it are in form of Death gems?

However my point was that you have used 470 gems worth of summons and equipment in this battle, or 440 gems assuming use of Dwarven Hammer to forge expensive parts, as you said you did.

Yes, but of those, my supply is primarily limited by the Death supply. As you saw in the accounting above, the gems of other types are of low usage and can easily be accounted for.

No, I haven't seen it, sorry. How could I see it if you are avoiding to give me any of the numbers that I am asking for? So far all your responses where I asked for some numbers (with the exception of clams/fetishes, and I still don't know what you mean, please clarify it) were "I don't remember", "I don't care to beancount", "It is a secret".

Again, I am not asking for hard numbers where it is hard to count, or when you don't remember. Approximate number would be just fine.

However, what is much more important, that if my guess is correct, you may have as much as 1500 gems worth of summons and equipment elsewhere in your Empire, in addition to the 440 gems you have demonstrated with just 8 of your commanders, that you used in this battle.

Is this correct?

I doubt it's that high. You do tend to exaggerate a little, and I am not going to beancount every Last commander.

Hmmm. You think I tend exaggerate a little? So do you think your actual number of gems is lower? Ok, what is it that? Again, don't bean count, just rough estimate would be enough. 1000 more death gems, in addition to 440 gems used in that battle? 500 more gems? 100 more? Or you are not using Dusk Elders worth 20 gems each and Spectral Mages worth 10 death gems each, with maybe some Skull Mentors (10 gems without hammer, 7 gems with hammer) to get that fantastically high research that you have, based upon graphs? Unlike gems and money that you can get from random events, the extra research can not received from the random events, even on luck 2.

Bottom line Norfleet, if I am missing something here please correct me. I freely admit that I am not an expert on Ermor, unlike yourself, who have a lot of experience with this nation. So in case I am somehow mistaken here, I am eager to learn. Maybe you are currently using non-summoned mages for large part of your huge research, that didn't cost you gems but just money to hire and small upkeep?


As you have seen, I have been staying extremely polite toward you here, and I am not implying anything. I just totally confused by the numbers, and would like to hear your explanation how did you manage to do it? Other 4 players in this game are very interested in this as well, and they would like very much to hear your answers. We are just genially confused and don't understand what we are seeing in our game. So we are asking you to explain, now that you have won this game, as all of us can see.


I hope you understand me correctly. I am not implying anything here. I was very polite to you. All I want to hear is an explanation and answers for these very simple and very polite questions. As you can see from this thread, other forum regulars would like to know more about it too.


From myself, I can promise you that: if you'll answer these very simple questions, I will do what you have been urging me to do all along, meaning I will stop stalling the game and will continue it, despite the fact that you have destroyed my only army and that I have no chance in hell against Ermor at this point, just like everybody else in our game(unless of course you prefer that I go AI). At the very least if it'll become too distressing for me to continue I will find human sub for myself(I have a friend who love hopeless challenges, and who is semi-decent in Dom2, after 2 months of playing it. ( I think he is a bit masochistic, so he may even enjoy it ).